--- Log opened Thu May 21 21:00:19 2015 [Thu 21 May 2015 21:00:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432267242] [Users #networkmerge] [Thu 21 May 2015 21:00:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432267242] [~FastLizard4] [~JD|laptop] [@DoctorPain99] [@Rav3n|afk] [@TLUL] [Thu 21 May 2015 21:00:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432267242] [~JD|desktop ] [@ChanServ ] [@MJ94 ] [@Revi ] [Thu 21 May 2015 21:00:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432267242] -!- Irssi: #networkmerge: Total of 9 nicks [9 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 0 normal] [Thu 21 May 2015 21:00:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432267243] -!- Topic for #networkmerge: Discussion of network merge proposal. First meeting begins at 04:00 Fri 22 May 2015 UTC - timezone conversions: http://bit.ly/1A51rTd | Proposal text: http://bit.ly/1A51qP3 (doc is now visible, but only to staff!) | Note: For now, discussion of the merge is to be kept amongst both networks' staff only. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:00:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432267243] -!- Topic set by JD|laptop [~JD@lizardirc/staff/JD] [Wed May 20 19:34:53 2015] [Thu 21 May 2015 21:00:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432267245] <~FastLizard4> Hilighting DoctorPain99, JD|laptop, JD|desktop, MJ94, Rav3n|afk, TLUL, and Revi [Thu 21 May 2015 21:00:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432267247] <@DoctorPain99> log base 2 of... [Thu 21 May 2015 21:00:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432267257] <@DoctorPain99> TWO JDS?!?!?!?! [Thu 21 May 2015 21:01:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432267260] <@MJ94> And I'm here. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:01:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432267278] <~FastLizard4> Welcome to the first joing network meeting between LizardIRC and JDNet staff, where we will discuss merging JDNet into LizardIRC, the problems related to it, and at the end decide if we want to go ahead with this [Thu 21 May 2015 21:01:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432267281] <@MJ94> Let's get it started...hot. Let's get it started...in here. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:01:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432267298] <~FastLizard4> This meeting is being logged privately, though if the merge is approved, the logs will be made public [Thu 21 May 2015 21:01:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432267312] <@TLUL> FastLizard4: Your mistake here is assuming that we can be mature in the first five minutes [Thu 21 May 2015 21:02:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432267341] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: Or at all. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:02:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432267349] <~FastLizard4> Why do you think I said "alright kids" ;P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:02:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432267355] <@DoctorPain99> FastLizard4: I am a Sith Lord [Thu 21 May 2015 21:02:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432267367] <~FastLizard4> And I'm a Time Lord [Thu 21 May 2015 21:02:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432267368] <~FastLizard4> :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:02:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432267368] <@TLUL> On topic: Should we preserve the current version the proposal for reference when these logs go public? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:03:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432267406] <~FastLizard4> Yeah, that'll probably be a good idea [Thu 21 May 2015 21:03:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432267425] <~FastLizard4> I would like to get the proposal finalized by the end of this meeting; anything we miss we can add to the wiki page later [Thu 21 May 2015 21:04:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432267459] <@MJ94> Have we decided if our meeting will be async or sync? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:04:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432267472] <@TLUL> This one is sync for sure [Thu 21 May 2015 21:04:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432267472] <@MJ94> Meetings, rather. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:04:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432267472] <~FastLizard4> Not yet, that's on the "agenda" for tonight [Thu 21 May 2015 21:04:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432267480] <@MJ94> TLUL: No way, really?! [Thu 21 May 2015 21:05:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432267500] <~FastLizard4> Looks like we're still waiting on Revi, Rav3n|afk (though he may not be able to attend due to his local time), and JD [Thu 21 May 2015 21:05:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432267514] <@DoctorPain99> Revi should be here shortly [Thu 21 May 2015 21:05:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432267518] <@DoctorPain99> JD said he may be late [Thu 21 May 2015 21:05:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432267522] <~FastLizard4> Right [Thu 21 May 2015 21:05:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432267524] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: What time is it there? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:05:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432267525] <@TLUL> Name/branding proposal: SlowJDNet [Thu 21 May 2015 21:05:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432267536] <@DoctorPain99> LOL [Thu 21 May 2015 21:05:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432267538] <~FastLizard4> heh [Thu 21 May 2015 21:05:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432267547] <@DoctorPain99> i don't think we should call an IRC network slow [Thu 21 May 2015 21:05:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432267551] <@DoctorPain99> we could call it SLO! [Thu 21 May 2015 21:05:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432267551] <~FastLizard4> MJ94: Rav3n would be in UTC+1, which makes his time... 05:00 [Thu 21 May 2015 21:06:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432267562] <~FastLizard4> San Louis Obispo? :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:06:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432267578] <@DoctorPain99> yes :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:06:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432267590] <@Revi> I'm in now [Thu 21 May 2015 21:06:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432267590] <~FastLizard4> no u, vetoed :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:06:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432267592] <@Revi> reading logs [Thu 21 May 2015 21:06:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432267603] <~FastLizard4> Revi: You haven't missed anything [Thu 21 May 2015 21:06:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432267611] <@Revi> I mean before the start :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:06:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432267614] <~FastLizard4> So, if you haven't already, pull up the proposal [Thu 21 May 2015 21:07:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432267624] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: I haven't. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:07:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432267664] <@MJ94> Now I have. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:08:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432267687] <~FastLizard4> Alright [Thu 21 May 2015 21:08:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432267691] <@Revi> I only have 50 mins, so I want to know about naming scheme/who will have access to shell on my servers primarily [Thu 21 May 2015 21:08:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432267695] <~FastLizard4> So, I figured we'd just go through this from start to bottom [Thu 21 May 2015 21:08:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432267696] <@Revi> I had some more but I forgot :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:08:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432267696] <@MJ94> Before we begin, please note that the "h" key on my keyboard is...well, less than fantastic. So, ignore typos. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:08:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432267720] <@DoctorPain99> Revi: no one needs to have shell access on your servers as far as i know [Thu 21 May 2015 21:08:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432267725] <~FastLizard4> DoctorPain99: I will [Thu 21 May 2015 21:08:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432267728] <@DoctorPain99> oh ok [Thu 21 May 2015 21:08:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432267731] <@Revi> ok. :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:08:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432267732] <@DoctorPain99> other than FastLizard4 then :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:08:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432267734] <~FastLizard4> There's no other way to do configuration changes :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:08:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432267737] <@DoctorPain99> :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:09:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432267741] <~FastLizard4> I plan to give JD shell access to the LizardIRC servers [Thu 21 May 2015 21:09:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432267752] <@DoctorPain99> so FastLizard4 needs shell access to Revi's servers [Thu 21 May 2015 21:09:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432267755] <@DoctorPain99> but no one else does [Thu 21 May 2015 21:09:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432267755] <~FastLizard4> How the LizardIRC servers are laid out are that they run in a limited `lizardirc` account [Thu 21 May 2015 21:09:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432267769] <@Revi> iirc JDnet runs on JD's account [Thu 21 May 2015 21:09:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432267779] <~FastLizard4> So what JD would get is an account on both phazon and ridley and sudo permissions to `su lizardirc` [Thu 21 May 2015 21:10:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432267818] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: JD doesn't already have an account on phazon and ridley? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:10:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432267824] <~FastLizard4> I don't think so [Thu 21 May 2015 21:10:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432267841] <~FastLizard4> Revi: Whatever works for you; my preferred approach is to have individual user accounts and a single account for the IRC server that is itself not usable as a login account [Thu 21 May 2015 21:10:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432267847] <@TLUL> On Revi's servers, then, would the ideal route be to add a lizardirc account (name variable dependent on branding decision) and run the server under that instead of under JD's account? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:11:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432267860] <~FastLizard4> That way, each person could have their own SSH keys and passwords for access, and just use `su` to access the IRCd configs and such [Thu 21 May 2015 21:11:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432267862] <@TLUL> What FastLizard4 said, basically [Thu 21 May 2015 21:11:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432267879] <~FastLizard4> Probably, yes [Thu 21 May 2015 21:11:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432267883] <@Revi> I think FL4's approach is better, yeah. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:12:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432267922] <~FastLizard4> As for branding, it looks like everyone kinda agreed to keep "LizardIRC" as the network name before the meeting; let's go ahead and discuss that on-record now though [Thu 21 May 2015 21:12:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432267938] <@Revi> I'm fine with LizardIRC. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:12:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432267974] <~FastLizard4> Though I admit possible bias, I'd prefer keeping LizardIRC as the name; it'd save me a lot of trouble from a domain name/SSL certificate standpoint for one, and all of our existing infrastructure and support (OTRS, social network pages, etc.) are already branded as LizardIRC [Thu 21 May 2015 21:13:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432267980] <@DoctorPain99> we'll just need to wait for JD on this [Thu 21 May 2015 21:13:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432268000] <@DoctorPain99> I'm for keeping the name as LizardIRC [Thu 21 May 2015 21:13:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432268022] <~FastLizard4> TLUL and MJ94? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:14:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432268060] <@MJ94> I kinda wish we could rebrand, but I do agree that a majority of the users are from here and for simplicity sake, keep it as is. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:14:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432268066] <@MJ94> LizardIRC. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:14:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432268072] <@TLUL> Support LizardIRC because A) I think it has more users, B) I'm not a big fan of a brand new name, C) branding "lizard" is easier than branding "JD" - eg a drawing of a lizard as logo is easier than a drawing of a Jasper Deng [Thu 21 May 2015 21:14:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432268092] <@MJ94> TLUL: I agree with your C. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:14:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432268092] <~FastLizard4> Okay [Thu 21 May 2015 21:15:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432268106] <@DoctorPain99> what would you want to brand it as, in theory, MJ94? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:15:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432268106] <~FastLizard4> So, all currently present agree to keep the network name as LizardIRC post-merge, tentatively carried [Thu 21 May 2015 21:15:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432268117] <@MJ94> Though I want to see a drawing of a Jasper Deng, though. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:15:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432268126] <@Revi> just for fun [Thu 21 May 2015 21:15:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432268127] <@MJ94> DoctorPain99: That'd be a community decision, IMO [Thu 21 May 2015 21:15:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432268127] <~FastLizard4> (pending input from JD and other missing staff, which I think is just TCN7JM from JDNet) [Thu 21 May 2015 21:15:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432268142] <~FastLizard4> Of course, it's worth noting that this doesn't permanently bar a branding change [Thu 21 May 2015 21:15:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432268146] <~FastLizard4> This is just with respect to the merge [Thu 21 May 2015 21:16:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432268161] <~FastLizard4> If we want to consider a branding change sometime in the future, we can do that then as well [Thu 21 May 2015 21:16:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432268173] <@TLUL> FastLizard4: You also mentioned a few branding immutability concerns regarding social media pages, I believe? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:16:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432268181] <~FastLizard4> Ahh, yes, that's right [Thu 21 May 2015 21:16:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432268185] <@Revi> google+. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:16:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432268186] <@Revi> iirc [Thu 21 May 2015 21:16:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432268187] <@TLUL> Specifically, the G+ profile URL isn't changeable? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:16:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432268189] <~FastLizard4> So, LizardIRC has pages on Twitter, Google+, and Facebook [Thu 21 May 2015 21:16:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432268207] <@MJ94> I would strongly support a rebrand as it isn't really just LizardIRC anymore, but due to difficulties and time, this may not be doable. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:16:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432268209] <~FastLizard4> Twitter's profile names, usernames, and URLs are all changeable (URL is a function of username, specifically), so no problem there [Thu 21 May 2015 21:17:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432268227] <~FastLizard4> Facebook's page names can be changed, and the username (which is used in the URL) is changeable once and once only [Thu 21 May 2015 21:17:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432268249] <~FastLizard4> Google+ would be the most problematic; though like Facebook the page name can be changed, the URL is immutable aside from case changes (e.g., +LizardircOrg to +LizardIRCOrg, etc.) [Thu 21 May 2015 21:18:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432268311] <~FastLizard4> So, even if we rebrand the network, the Google+ page would forever be +LizardircOrg [Thu 21 May 2015 21:18:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432268332] <@TLUL> Unless we drop it and create a new one, that is [Thu 21 May 2015 21:18:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432268336] <@MJ94> Which is unfortunate. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:19:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432268340] <@MJ94> Correct, TLUL [Thu 21 May 2015 21:20:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432268402] <~FastLizard4> In defense of keeping the LizardIRC name in perpetuity, it is actually a pretty catchy name [Thu 21 May 2015 21:20:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432268415] <~FastLizard4> And we already control lizardirc.(org|com|net) [Thu 21 May 2015 21:20:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432268420] <@DoctorPain99> +1 [Thu 21 May 2015 21:20:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432268436] <@TLUL> I agree with the catchiness, but I might be biased since I've been here a while (and never on JDNet) [Thu 21 May 2015 21:21:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432268465] <~FastLizard4> Controlling the domain for the three big TLDs is a big one for me at least [Thu 21 May 2015 21:21:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432268476] <~FastLizard4> Frankly, I was surprised I was able to get all of those when I registered the domain [Thu 21 May 2015 21:21:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432268480] <@DoctorPain99> lol [Thu 21 May 2015 21:21:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432268483] <@MJ94> Part of me just doesn't think it's fair that we keep the LI name. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:21:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432268487] <@MJ94> That's all. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:21:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432268502] <@MJ94> And rebranding can be fun. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:22:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432268524] <@DoctorPain99> rebranding has major disadvantages that outweigh "fun" [Thu 21 May 2015 21:22:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432268539] <~FastLizard4> Oh, another thing rebranding would mess up [Thu 21 May 2015 21:22:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432268541] <@TLUL> ^ this is why I prefer not choosing a brand new name [Thu 21 May 2015 21:22:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432268548] <@MJ94> DoctorPain99: meh, I guess I didn't mean literally fun :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:22:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432268550] <@TLUL> (DoctorPain99's point, that is) [Thu 21 May 2015 21:22:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432268553] <~FastLizard4> I'd have to get in touch with Mibbit Search and Netsplit.de [Thu 21 May 2015 21:22:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432268560] <~FastLizard4> And get the network's registrations changed [Thu 21 May 2015 21:22:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432268561] <@MJ94> Yeah, but we are all biased. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:22:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432268570] <@DoctorPain99> Revi said LizardIRC was fine [Thu 21 May 2015 21:22:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432268577] <@MJ94> I am sure people at JDIRC would not oppose keeping LI [Thu 21 May 2015 21:22:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432268577] <@DoctorPain99> we mostly need JD's input at this point [Thu 21 May 2015 21:23:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432268589] <~FastLizard4> Alright, let's move on from this one at least for now [Thu 21 May 2015 21:23:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432268592] <@MJ94> Meh. :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:23:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432268602] <~FastLizard4> Like I said, it seems we tentatively agree (still need input form JD) to keep the LizardIRC name and branding [Thu 21 May 2015 21:23:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432268602] <@Revi> (reminder: I have 30 mins left) [Thu 21 May 2015 21:23:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432268613] <~FastLizard4> If we want to do a rebranding in the future after the merge, we can discuss it then as a seperate issue [Thu 21 May 2015 21:23:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432268616] <@MJ94> I know my opinion would be outweighed and I am swayable. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:23:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432268620] <~FastLizard4> Alright, next big issue is server naming conventions [Thu 21 May 2015 21:23:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432268624] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: sounds good [Thu 21 May 2015 21:24:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432268641] <~FastLizard4> For those of you that don't know, historically I've named my servers after characters, places, events, etc. from the Metroid video game series universe [Thu 21 May 2015 21:24:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432268647] <~FastLizard4> E.g., ridley.lizardirc.org and phazon.lizardirc.org [Thu 21 May 2015 21:24:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432268648] <@DoctorPain99> metroid names please! [Thu 21 May 2015 21:24:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432268656] * DoctorPain99 likes metroid owo [Thu 21 May 2015 21:24:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432268658] <@MJ94> I've...never played metered. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:24:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432268663] <@MJ94> metroid* [Thu 21 May 2015 21:24:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432268668] <@DoctorPain99> >metered [Thu 21 May 2015 21:24:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432268669] <@Revi> I don't know metriod things, I don't want to (suddenly) rename my server to something I've never heard of. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:24:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432268679] <@MJ94> DoctorPain99: autocorrect [Thu 21 May 2015 21:24:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432268687] <@DoctorPain99> pls turn off [Thu 21 May 2015 21:24:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432268690] <~FastLizard4> My argument here is that all major networks enforce a naming scheme for linking servers [Thu 21 May 2015 21:24:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432268693] <@MJ94> Let's rebrand the servers instead of the network! [Thu 21 May 2015 21:25:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432268702] <~FastLizard4> freenode is science fiction authors, cluenet was mathematical terms, etc. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:25:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432268706] <@MJ94> Pick a new naming scheme together. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:25:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432268711] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: cluenet is* [Thu 21 May 2015 21:25:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432268712] <~FastLizard4> The argument can definitely be made that keeping a naming scheme is good for cohesion [Thu 21 May 2015 21:25:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432268716] <@MJ94> WE'RE NOT DEAD YET [Thu 21 May 2015 21:25:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432268718] <@DoctorPain99> it is LizardIRC [Thu 21 May 2015 21:25:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432268719] <~FastLizard4> Yet :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:25:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432268729] <@DoctorPain99> so we could use a naming scheme based on lizards [Thu 21 May 2015 21:25:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432268735] <@TLUL> No specific attachment to metered naming scheme (never played it). [Thu 21 May 2015 21:25:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432268735] <@MJ94> None of us are saying that a naming scheme isn't good. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:25:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432268735] <@DoctorPain99> if metroid is unacceptable [Thu 21 May 2015 21:25:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432268740] <~FastLizard4> Oooh, that'd be a good one [Thu 21 May 2015 21:25:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432268753] <@DoctorPain99> I personally really like the metroid naming scheme [Thu 21 May 2015 21:25:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432268755] <@Revi> better than metriod. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:26:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432268761] <@MJ94> I feel like that's too focused on lizardy stuff [Thu 21 May 2015 21:26:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432268761] <@DoctorPain99> but it seems i'm not getting a lot of support :( [Thu 21 May 2015 21:26:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432268775] <@MJ94> especially if we rebrand in the future [Thu 21 May 2015 21:26:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432268775] <@TLUL> Strong support of /having/ a naming scheme, though no real opposition to a few legacy holdouts. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:26:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432268779] <@MJ94> ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 21:26:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432268790] <@MJ94> I strongly support a naming scheme. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:26:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432268792] <~FastLizard4> I definitely want a strict naming scheme [Thu 21 May 2015 21:26:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432268811] <~FastLizard4> All major networks require one as part of joining the network [Thu 21 May 2015 21:27:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432268827] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: out of curiosity, why? just because? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:27:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432268827] <~FastLizard4> And I'm afraid that if we make an exception, no matter how small, it'd be unfair to any future person who wants to link a server to the network [Thu 21 May 2015 21:27:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432268851] <@MJ94> It's easier to enforce than have people create their own. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:27:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432268855] <@DoctorPain99> we could go the calpoly route and just number them [Thu 21 May 2015 21:27:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432268859] <~FastLizard4> I'd really really like to keep the Metroid scheme, since it was definitely my favorite video game series when I was first starting to get into gaming [Thu 21 May 2015 21:27:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432268865] <@DoctorPain99> lizard1, lizard2, lizard3, etc. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:27:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432268866] <@MJ94> DoctorPain99: boring [Thu 21 May 2015 21:27:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432268868] <~FastLizard4> No thanks :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:27:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432268870] <@DoctorPain99> lol [Thu 21 May 2015 21:27:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432268875] <@MJ94> and potentially confusing [Thu 21 May 2015 21:27:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432268879] <~FastLizard4> ...But I'm not too attached to Metroid, since I will use that scheme for LizardNet servers anyway [Thu 21 May 2015 21:28:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432268883] <~FastLizard4> I do want to note one thing: [Thu 21 May 2015 21:28:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432268893] <@DoctorPain99> cal poly's are unix1-4 for 32 bit servers and unix11-14 for 64-bit [Thu 21 May 2015 21:28:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432268893] <~FastLizard4> LizardIRC server name is only something in the IRCd config and in the lizardirc.org DNS structure [Thu 21 May 2015 21:28:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432268893] <@MJ94> I strongly support changing the naming scheme. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:28:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432268896] <@DoctorPain99> it's weird [Thu 21 May 2015 21:28:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432268896] <@Revi> but I don't want metriod thing, and if you want to enforce metriod naming scheme, I plan to turn one server permanently [Thu 21 May 2015 21:28:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432268898] * JD|laptop is now here [Thu 21 May 2015 21:28:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432268904] <~JD|laptop> missed that train [Thu 21 May 2015 21:28:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432268907] <@Revi> turn off* [Thu 21 May 2015 21:28:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432268908] <~FastLizard4> The underlying servers can have whatever hostname they want [Thu 21 May 2015 21:28:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432268914] <@DoctorPain99> JD|laptop: LizardIRC? yes/no [Thu 21 May 2015 21:28:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432268915] <~FastLizard4> Revi: Why is that, if I may ask? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:28:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432268918] <@DoctorPain99> as far as naming [Thu 21 May 2015 21:28:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432268922] <@Revi> cuz I don't have much $$$ [Thu 21 May 2015 21:28:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432268934] <~FastLizard4> Revi: No, why are you strongly opposed to a Metroid naming scheme? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:29:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432268948] <@Revi> I mean, I don't want to call my server something I've never heard of [Thu 21 May 2015 21:29:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432268955] <@Revi> 내ㅡ도샤후 [Thu 21 May 2015 21:29:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432268957] <~JD|laptop> I am not opposed to LizardIRC as a network name but would ask you to respect Revi's server naming scheme [Thu 21 May 2015 21:29:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432268957] <@Revi> whoosps [Thu 21 May 2015 21:29:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432268960] <~JD|laptop> he owns them after all [Thu 21 May 2015 21:29:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432268974] <@TLUL> How much opposition is to Metered specifically and how much is to changing name in general? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:29:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432268978] <~FastLizard4> JD|laptop: At the risk of standing harsh, ownership is irrelevant to me [Thu 21 May 2015 21:29:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432268981] <@TLUL> Revi: ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 21:29:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432268987] <~FastLizard4> See the freenode linking policy for support of my position [Thu 21 May 2015 21:29:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432268992] <~FastLizard4> s/linking/server donation/ [Thu 21 May 2015 21:30:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432269005] <@MJ94> I think we should agree on a common naming scheme we all like. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:30:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432269007] <@DoctorPain99> Metroid naming scheme sound unpopular in general though [Thu 21 May 2015 21:30:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432269013] <@MJ94> ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 21:30:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432269015] <~JD|laptop> ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 21:30:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432269022] <@DoctorPain99> like if it was just Revi who didn't like it, we'd probably say he got outvoted [Thu 21 May 2015 21:30:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432269023] <~FastLizard4> I like lizard specie as an alternative [Thu 21 May 2015 21:30:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432269032] <@DoctorPain99> but the only ones who seem to like it are me and you lol [Thu 21 May 2015 21:30:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432269036] <@MJ94> That's too Lizardy [Thu 21 May 2015 21:30:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432269038] <~JD|laptop> does Revi have any suggestions? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:30:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432269048] <@Revi> hmm, tbh, I don't have one [Thu 21 May 2015 21:30:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432269054] <@MJ94> Why can't we have something unrelated to you, FastLizard4? :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:31:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432269071] <~JD|laptop> how about we suggest a few names for Revi's servers and he will decide whether he likes them or not [Thu 21 May 2015 21:31:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432269079] <@DoctorPain99> well what do we all like then [Thu 21 May 2015 21:31:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432269082] <@DoctorPain99> if not lizards [Thu 21 May 2015 21:31:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432269086] <@DoctorPain99> we all like programming [Thu 21 May 2015 21:31:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432269087] <@DoctorPain99> what else [Thu 21 May 2015 21:31:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432269090] <~JD|laptop> also keeping in mind that we are actually going to lose vps.irc.jasperswebsite.com b/c that host is going belly up in August [Thu 21 May 2015 21:31:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432269091] <@MJ94> JD|laptop: that has nothing to do with a scheme [Thu 21 May 2015 21:31:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432269093] <~FastLizard4> tailrecursion.lizardirc.org? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:31:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432269094] <~FastLizard4> :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:31:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432269103] <@Revi> JD|laptop: updated doc [Thu 21 May 2015 21:31:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432269106] <@Revi> (already) [Thu 21 May 2015 21:31:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432269106] <@TLUL> I feel like programming theme is too generic [Thu 21 May 2015 21:31:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432269111] <@MJ94> ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 21:31:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432269116] <~FastLizard4> I liked math terms, but that's ClueNet's scheme [Thu 21 May 2015 21:31:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432269116] <@DoctorPain99> ok what else do we all like [Thu 21 May 2015 21:32:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432269123] <@TLUL> Lizards is neat, but a bit heavy-handed on the Lizard [Thu 21 May 2015 21:32:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432269127] <@MJ94> Ew, math. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:32:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432269129] <~JD|laptop> we can do science terms [Thu 21 May 2015 21:32:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432269129] <@MJ94> TLUL: I agree [Thu 21 May 2015 21:32:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432269135] <~JD|laptop> which would accommodate Revi's existing scheme [Thu 21 May 2015 21:32:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432269157] <@TLUL> Remind me of your existing names, Revi? (and how attached are you to them?) [Thu 21 May 2015 21:32:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432269161] <~FastLizard4> Now, I want to reemphasize something: [Thu 21 May 2015 21:32:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432269167] <~FastLizard4> THis is the IRC server name, not the server hostname [Thu 21 May 2015 21:32:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432269177] <@MJ94> I claim acid.fastlizard4.org. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:32:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432269177] <@Revi> yep I know [Thu 21 May 2015 21:33:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432269182] <~FastLizard4> E.g., even if ridley.lizardirc.org gets renamed to something else, the underlying server will still be ridley.fastlizard4.org [Thu 21 May 2015 21:33:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432269182] <@MJ94> or whatever it is [Thu 21 May 2015 21:33:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432269186] <@DoctorPain99> MJ94: lizardirc [Thu 21 May 2015 21:33:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432269187] <@Revi> TLUL: hwan and ruby [Thu 21 May 2015 21:33:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432269189] <@DoctorPain99> not fastlizard4 [Thu 21 May 2015 21:33:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432269192] <@Revi> and... [Thu 21 May 2015 21:33:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432269216] <@Revi> I am fine with something I already heard of, but not something I've never heard of [Thu 21 May 2015 21:33:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432269233] <@DoctorPain99> well you've heard of metroid now! [Thu 21 May 2015 21:33:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432269235] <@DoctorPain99> :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:34:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432269244] <@Revi> now lol. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:34:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432269249] <@MJ94> NO METROID [Thu 21 May 2015 21:34:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432269253] <~JD|laptop> DoctorPain99: I've *heard* of it but don't especially *know* it, and I think that's what Revi means. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:34:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432269258] <@DoctorPain99> :( [Thu 21 May 2015 21:34:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432269262] <@DoctorPain99> you guys are mean :( [Thu 21 May 2015 21:34:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432269264] <@Revi> yup [Thu 21 May 2015 21:34:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432269271] <~FastLizard4> Then do you have any suggestions? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:34:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432269289] <~FastLizard4> I hear lots of people saying no to a Metroid theme, but not really coming up with any good alternatives [Thu 21 May 2015 21:34:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432269290] <@Revi> I thought programming one sounds great (or science thing) [Thu 21 May 2015 21:34:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432269293] * JD|laptop already suggested scientific terms... I know FastLizard4 is often affected by astrophysics stuff [Thu 21 May 2015 21:35:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432269307] <~FastLizard4> Programming and scientific might be a little too broad [Thu 21 May 2015 21:35:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432269314] <@TLUL> Astrophysical terms is a bit narrower, could work well [Thu 21 May 2015 21:35:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432269319] <~JD|laptop> ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 21:35:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432269322] <~FastLizard4> I like that [Thu 21 May 2015 21:35:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432269327] <~JD|laptop> where Revi's existing server names fit in [Thu 21 May 2015 21:35:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432269338] <~FastLizard4> JD|laptop: Pardon my ignorance, but how so? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:35:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432269348] <@TLUL> ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 21:35:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432269353] <~JD|laptop> well maybe not hwan but ruby is a mineral and geology is a part of astrophysics [Thu 21 May 2015 21:35:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432269358] <@Revi> hmm. astrophysical sounds good :p [Thu 21 May 2015 21:36:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432269369] <~FastLizard4> That's a really... broad interpretation of astrophysics :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:36:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432269372] <@TLUL> ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 21:36:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432269373] <@Revi> :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:36:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432269380] <~JD|laptop> indeed :P but point is, Revi likes it much better [Thu 21 May 2015 21:36:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432269390] <@DoctorPain99> we could do different minerals [Thu 21 May 2015 21:36:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432269394] <@DoctorPain99> ruby, sapphire, etc. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:36:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432269400] <~FastLizard4> Hm [Thu 21 May 2015 21:36:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432269404] <~FastLizard4> I kinda like astrophysics :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:36:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432269406] <~FastLizard4> It's unique [Thu 21 May 2015 21:36:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432269417] <@DoctorPain99> but ruby really isnt astrophysics :| [Thu 21 May 2015 21:36:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432269419] <~FastLizard4> But we might suffer from freenode server name syndrome; i.e., no one ever remembers how to spell the server names :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:36:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432269419] <~JD|laptop> so do we have consensus for it? I think we do [Thu 21 May 2015 21:37:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432269425] <@MJ94> Astrophysics is TOO narrow imo [Thu 21 May 2015 21:37:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432269433] <~JD|laptop> MJ94: six is not a high number of servers [Thu 21 May 2015 21:37:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432269433] <@MJ94> and not many people underrstand it [Thu 21 May 2015 21:37:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432269446] <~JD|laptop> five even [Thu 21 May 2015 21:37:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432269464] <@Revi> ridley, phazon, hwan, ruby, sfo and vps (vps going to end soon though) [Thu 21 May 2015 21:37:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432269472] <~FastLizard4> Okay, so the two proposals I've seen so far that look like they're catching on are astrophysics and minerals [Thu 21 May 2015 21:37:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432269474] <@DoctorPain99> if we're going to do astrophysics, we need to change ruby and hwan [Thu 21 May 2015 21:37:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432269477] <~FastLizard4> Let's come up with five names in each category [Thu 21 May 2015 21:37:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432269477] <@TLUL> Out of the blue: foods? limit to vegetables? Something generally accessible to most people's vocabulary, I don't recall it being done anywhere else [Thu 21 May 2015 21:37:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432269479] <@DoctorPain99> those don't count [Thu 21 May 2015 21:38:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432269491] <@DoctorPain99> foods is boring and interesting at the same time [Thu 21 May 2015 21:38:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432269491] <@TLUL> minerals I like [Thu 21 May 2015 21:38:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432269491] <~JD|laptop> food doesn't really relate to us [Thu 21 May 2015 21:38:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432269493] <~FastLizard4> So we can get an idea of what the server names would look like [Thu 21 May 2015 21:38:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432269493] <@MJ94> foods sounds fun [Thu 21 May 2015 21:38:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432269505] <~JD|laptop> I like minerals and astrophysics equally, so count me as neutral [Thu 21 May 2015 21:38:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432269506] <@DoctorPain99> minears: emerald, ruby, sapphire, diamond, pearl? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:38:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432269514] <~FastLizard4> Alright, easy [Thu 21 May 2015 21:38:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432269518] <~FastLizard4> Now, astrophysics [Thu 21 May 2015 21:38:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432269519] <@TLUL> I should note that I'm 100% biased in suggesting foods because it happens to have small but nonzero overlap in a clever way with my own naming scheme, in case I ever link a server [Thu 21 May 2015 21:38:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432269521] <@MJ94> JD|laptop: if we did something that relates to us, we'd copy every other computery-place [Thu 21 May 2015 21:38:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432269530] <~JD|laptop> DoctorPain99: pearl isn't a mineral but w/e [Thu 21 May 2015 21:38:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432269535] <@DoctorPain99> we can change that one [Thu 21 May 2015 21:38:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432269539] <@MJ94> (science, computing, etc) [Thu 21 May 2015 21:39:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432269542] <~FastLizard4> Well, that sounds more like precious stones to me [Thu 21 May 2015 21:39:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432269545] <~FastLizard4> Which would also work as a naming scheme [Thu 21 May 2015 21:39:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432269554] <@TLUL> gypsum, pyrite [Thu 21 May 2015 21:39:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432269560] <~FastLizard4> And honestly, I'm having trouble coming up with astrophysics names [Thu 21 May 2015 21:39:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432269568] <@TLUL> hematite [Thu 21 May 2015 21:39:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432269571] <@MJ94> I like foods. :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:39:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432269580] <~JD|laptop> astrophysics probably would confuse too many people, like, who really names servers "gammarayburst.lizardirc.org"? :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:39:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432269581] <@MJ94> But they're not fancy sounding [Thu 21 May 2015 21:39:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432269587] <@MJ94> JD|laptop: I agree [Thu 21 May 2015 21:39:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432269587] <~FastLizard4> Right [Thu 21 May 2015 21:39:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432269592] <~FastLizard4> The names should also be simple [Thu 21 May 2015 21:39:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432269596] <~FastLizard4> Easy to remember [Thu 21 May 2015 21:40:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432269600] <@MJ94> bacon.* [Thu 21 May 2015 21:40:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432269604] <@TLUL> Yeah, foods was weak, I was making a stretch so I could cleverly pun on Kale as also fitting my "moons of Jupiter" scheme [Thu 21 May 2015 21:40:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432269609] <~JD|laptop> I think minerals is good then [Thu 21 May 2015 21:40:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432269610] <@DoctorPain99> so minerals/precious stones is the prevailing option atm? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:40:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432269610] <@TLUL> Retracted [Thu 21 May 2015 21:40:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432269613] <~JD|laptop> I vote for that [Thu 21 May 2015 21:40:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432269617] <~JD|laptop> s/vote/!vote [Thu 21 May 2015 21:40:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432269620] <@Revi> !vote! [Thu 21 May 2015 21:40:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432269620] <~FastLizard4> hush you :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:40:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432269629] <@DoctorPain99> if we do that [Thu 21 May 2015 21:40:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432269631] <~FastLizard4> I'd be down for minerals/precious stones [Thu 21 May 2015 21:40:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432269633] <@DoctorPain99> i want phazon to be emerald [Thu 21 May 2015 21:40:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432269638] <@DoctorPain99> that's my only request :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:40:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432269639] <~JD|laptop> sfo --> saffir [Thu 21 May 2015 21:40:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432269645] <~JD|laptop> sapphire* [Thu 21 May 2015 21:40:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432269651] <~FastLizard4> i call diamond for ridley lalalalalalala [Thu 21 May 2015 21:40:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432269654] <@Revi> I'm fine with minerals [Thu 21 May 2015 21:40:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432269659] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: rude. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:41:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432269662] <~FastLizard4> Oooh, I know [Thu 21 May 2015 21:41:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432269662] <@DoctorPain99> ruby will obviously be ruby [Thu 21 May 2015 21:41:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432269663] <~JD|laptop> which makes sense because diamond is the hardest and most important mineral [Thu 21 May 2015 21:41:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432269665] <~FastLizard4> Minecraft blocks :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:41:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432269667] <@DoctorPain99> what will be hwan [Thu 21 May 2015 21:41:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432269668] <~FastLizard4> dirt.lizardirc.org [Thu 21 May 2015 21:41:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432269671] <@MJ94> DoctorPain99: I wanted ruby! [Thu 21 May 2015 21:41:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432269672] <~FastLizard4> cobblestone.lizardirc.org [Thu 21 May 2015 21:41:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432269672] <@MJ94> :( [Thu 21 May 2015 21:41:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432269674] <~JD|laptop> and one of Revi's servers gets to keep its name [Thu 21 May 2015 21:41:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432269676] <@Revi> no dirt lol [Thu 21 May 2015 21:41:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432269676] <~FastLizard4> redstone.lizardirc.org! [Thu 21 May 2015 21:41:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432269677] <~FastLizard4> :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:41:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432269679] <@MJ94> My dog is gonna be ruby [Thu 21 May 2015 21:41:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432269693] <@TLUL> Oppose Minecraft blocks [Thu 21 May 2015 21:41:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432269700] <~FastLizard4> Not serious, btw [Thu 21 May 2015 21:41:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432269707] <~FastLizard4> :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:41:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432269711] <@Revi> " minears: emerald, ruby, sapphire, diamond, pearl?" so pearl left [Thu 21 May 2015 21:41:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432269714] <~FastLizard4> Alright, so are we all decided on minerals/precious stones? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:41:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432269719] <@Revi> I think so [Thu 21 May 2015 21:42:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432269720] <@MJ94> I like diamond and ruby. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:42:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432269727] <~JD|laptop> So let's establish a function rename : {current server names} --> {new server names} [Thu 21 May 2015 21:42:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432269734] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: I'll donate a server if I get diamond [Thu 21 May 2015 21:42:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432269736] <~FastLizard4> ridley -> diamond [Thu 21 May 2015 21:42:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432269737] <@DoctorPain99> phazon -> emerald [Thu 21 May 2015 21:42:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432269741] <@DoctorPain99> ruby -> ruby [Thu 21 May 2015 21:42:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432269742] <@Revi> ruby (same) [Thu 21 May 2015 21:42:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432269744] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: u jerk [Thu 21 May 2015 21:42:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432269747] <@Revi> hwan -> pearl [Thu 21 May 2015 21:42:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432269749] <~FastLizard4> MJ94: rood [Thu 21 May 2015 21:42:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432269752] <~JD|laptop> sfo --> jasper [Thu 21 May 2015 21:42:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432269755] <@Revi> lol [Thu 21 May 2015 21:42:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432269758] <@TLUL> lol, perfect [Thu 21 May 2015 21:42:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432269758] <@DoctorPain99> what [Thu 21 May 2015 21:42:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432269759] <~JD|laptop> (jasper /is/ a gemstone) [Thu 21 May 2015 21:42:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432269759] <@MJ94> Ruby is taken too? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:42:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432269761] <@MJ94> /quit [Thu 21 May 2015 21:42:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432269762] <~FastLizard4> hah [Thu 21 May 2015 21:42:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432269764] <~FastLizard4> Good one [Thu 21 May 2015 21:42:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432269764] <@Revi> ofc! [Thu 21 May 2015 21:42:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432269766] <@DoctorPain99> nice [Thu 21 May 2015 21:42:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432269777] <~FastLizard4> Let me add this to the doc [Thu 21 May 2015 21:43:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432269788] <@TLUL> +2 to minerals because that's a nice clever one for Jasper [Thu 21 May 2015 21:43:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432269790] <~JD|laptop> make a new section under logistics [Thu 21 May 2015 21:44:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432269847] <@TLUL> Revi: I'm still hesitant on pearl since it's not really a mineral IMO [Thu 21 May 2015 21:44:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432269852] <@Revi> hmm fine [Thu 21 May 2015 21:44:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432269854] <~FastLizard4> Oh, I was just putting this under branding [Thu 21 May 2015 21:44:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432269854] <@TLUL> Are you particularly attached to it? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:44:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432269858] <@Revi> no [Thu 21 May 2015 21:44:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432269861] <~FastLizard4> TLUL: I was going to say precious stones and minerals [Thu 21 May 2015 21:44:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432269888] <~FastLizard4> Unless you think including both categories would be too broad [Thu 21 May 2015 21:45:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432269903] <@TLUL> Pearl is about the only thing in the former that /isn't/ in the latter [Thu 21 May 2015 21:45:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432269911] <~FastLizard4> True [Thu 21 May 2015 21:45:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432269918] <@TLUL> So you're expanding it by exactly one item, which isn't broadening it much :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:45:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432269926] <@DoctorPain99> we could change pearl to sapphire [Thu 21 May 2015 21:45:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432269932] <@DoctorPain99> if Revi is ok with that [Thu 21 May 2015 21:45:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432269935] <@DoctorPain99> but either way is whatever [Thu 21 May 2015 21:45:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432269936] <@Revi> I'm fine [Thu 21 May 2015 21:45:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432269937] <~FastLizard4> Also, there's one more issue I'd like to get in before Revi has to go, so let's wrap up naming scheme quickly please [Thu 21 May 2015 21:45:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432269948] <@Revi> fine with sapphire [Thu 21 May 2015 21:45:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432269952] <~FastLizard4> Alright [Thu 21 May 2015 21:46:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432269963] <~FastLizard4> So, though this isn't the last issue of the meeting, I do want to get it in before Revi goes: [Thu 21 May 2015 21:46:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432269976] <~FastLizard4> For planning the merge, are we adopting the async model as described in the proposal, or sticking with a synchronous model? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:46:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432269990] <@Revi> I have to read it first.... [Thu 21 May 2015 21:46:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432269997] <~FastLizard4> I strongly favor async, especially considering that quite a few of us have vacations coming up this month and next [Thu 21 May 2015 21:46:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432270007] <@DoctorPain99> and that like [Thu 21 May 2015 21:46:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432270014] <~FastLizard4> It'll also be more convenient I feel for those of us that aren't in the U.S. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:47:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432270022] <@DoctorPain99> there isn't a good way to schedule these next meetings [Thu 21 May 2015 21:47:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432270024] <@Revi> Hmm, I have no vacation this year, but anyway I feel better with async [Thu 21 May 2015 21:47:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432270026] <~FastLizard4> (or, at least, in the timezones UTC-4 through UTC-10) [Thu 21 May 2015 21:47:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432270030] <@DoctorPain99> because if we do it on x day [Thu 21 May 2015 21:47:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432270033] <@DoctorPain99> then x people cant do [Thu 21 May 2015 21:47:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432270036] <@DoctorPain99> *go [Thu 21 May 2015 21:47:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432270039] <@DoctorPain99> but on y day [Thu 21 May 2015 21:47:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432270041] <@DoctorPain99> y people cant go [Thu 21 May 2015 21:47:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432270047] <@Revi> lol [Thu 21 May 2015 21:47:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432270054] <~FastLizard4> Okay, so DP, Revi, and myself in favor of async [Thu 21 May 2015 21:47:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432270056] <~JD|laptop> since all of you want async, let's do that [Thu 21 May 2015 21:47:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432270058] <@TLUL> I favour async with support for synchronous discussions here (logs being copied to the async discussion as relevant) [Thu 21 May 2015 21:47:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432270062] <~FastLizard4> Right [Thu 21 May 2015 21:47:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432270064] <~JD|laptop> however let's retain the meetings as office hours [Thu 21 May 2015 21:47:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432270068] <~JD|laptop> for enduser questions [Thu 21 May 2015 21:47:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432270074] <~JD|laptop> during which at least one of us must be there (naturally) [Thu 21 May 2015 21:48:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432270084] <@MJ94> I guess Async is okay. I think we should have some sync, too. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:48:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432270092] <@Revi> (ps. I'll move hwan(sapphire now)by end of this month anyway) [Thu 21 May 2015 21:48:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432270100] <~JD|laptop> Can we make the final meeting synchronous? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:48:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432270101] <@Revi> regardless of merge [Thu 21 May 2015 21:48:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432270105] <~FastLizard4> Revi: okay [Thu 21 May 2015 21:48:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432270107] <~FastLizard4> JD|laptop: Yeah, sure [Thu 21 May 2015 21:48:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432270108] <@TLUL> If we retain meetings as office hours, we should rotate the schedule a lot more for them [Thu 21 May 2015 21:48:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432270121] <@TLUL> Support final meeting synchronous [Thu 21 May 2015 21:48:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432270124] <~FastLizard4> Like I said in my description of async, there will at least be one more synchronous mandatory meeting [Thu 21 May 2015 21:48:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432270124] <~JD|laptop> TLUL: I agree [Thu 21 May 2015 21:48:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432270129] <~FastLizard4> Probably the final meeting [Thu 21 May 2015 21:48:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432270135] <@Revi> final seems good [Thu 21 May 2015 21:48:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432270136] <@MJ94> Support final meeting sync. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:49:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432270146] <~JD|laptop> FastLizard4: bearing in mind that the current final meeting date is one you won't be there on [Thu 21 May 2015 21:49:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432270163] <~FastLizard4> Yeah [Thu 21 May 2015 21:49:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432270170] <~FastLizard4> Or may not, anyway [Thu 21 May 2015 21:49:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432270175] <~FastLizard4> I have some thoughts about that :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:49:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432270179] <@MJ94> Regarding being gone, can we push the dates FastLizard4 can't be there to days he can? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:49:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432270188] <@MJ94> I mean, there's no hurry, is there? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:50:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432270202] <~FastLizard4> Yeah, if we're using the async model, there's no reason to set a strict date for anything [Thu 21 May 2015 21:50:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432270203] <~JD|laptop> MJ94: I'd say only for the synchronous one, since asynchronous ones don't have to be moved for such reasons [Thu 21 May 2015 21:50:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432270213] <@MJ94> JD|laptop: ofc [Thu 21 May 2015 21:50:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432270218] <@Revi> since I'm going to move sapphire's host regardless of merge I think we don't have to strictly enforce the timeline :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:50:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432270230] <~FastLizard4> We could just say "we'll hold the final meeting before the merge, and we'll set the date when all preperations are complete" [Thu 21 May 2015 21:50:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432270243] * Revi felt we're in debian world [Thu 21 May 2015 21:51:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432270270] <~FastLizard4> Alright, so it looks like we're all in agreement [Thu 21 May 2015 21:51:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432270274] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: Can we move the merge date to when I get back? I get back on the 22nd at about 04:00 UTC. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:51:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432270283] <~FastLizard4> Use the asynchronous model, with a synchronous final meeting to be determined when preperations are complete [Thu 21 May 2015 21:51:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432270296] <~FastLizard4> MJ94: Sure [Thu 21 May 2015 21:51:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432270303] <~FastLizard4> Do we want to decide on an *ESTIMATED* merge date? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:51:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432270305] <~JD|laptop> I'm on vacation June 20-28 and there's a lot of work I'd have to do [Thu 21 May 2015 21:51:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432270313] <~JD|laptop> I'd rather we have it done before [Thu 21 May 2015 21:51:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432270319] <@Revi> I have no vacation this year, so I'm fine with any date [Thu 21 May 2015 21:52:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432270322] <~FastLizard4> We could peg the merge for 1 July [Thu 21 May 2015 21:52:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432270349] <@Revi> but I have exam during June 30 ~ July 3 so I want to avoid that date [Thu 21 May 2015 21:52:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432270353] <@TLUL> FastLizard4: One stipulation: that you spell "preparations" correctly in any public releases on the topic :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:52:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432270354] <~FastLizard4> Mmm [Thu 21 May 2015 21:52:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432270359] <~FastLizard4> TLUL: hush you [Thu 21 May 2015 21:52:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432270360] <~FastLizard4> :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:52:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432270365] <~FastLizard4> Oh, let's get this out of the way [Thu 21 May 2015 21:52:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432270365] <~JD|laptop> Much will have to depend on how difficult the service db merge will be [Thu 21 May 2015 21:52:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432270370] <~FastLizard4> If you don't have a LizardNet account, raise your hand [Thu 21 May 2015 21:52:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432270372] <~FastLizard4> erm [Thu 21 May 2015 21:52:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432270374] <~FastLizard4> LizardWiki account [Thu 21 May 2015 21:52:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432270376] <@MJ94> I'm back fully on the 23rd of June in the evening. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:53:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432270380] <@Revi> I have it, so seeya [Thu 21 May 2015 21:53:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432270384] <~FastLizard4> Since we'll be using LizardWiki for coordination from here on out [Thu 21 May 2015 21:53:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432270385] <~FastLizard4> Revi: OKay, cya [Thu 21 May 2015 21:53:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432270386] <@Revi> time is over yo [Thu 21 May 2015 21:53:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432270396] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: I'm an admin, can I block everyone I disagree with? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:53:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432270398] <@MJ94> ;) [Thu 21 May 2015 21:53:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432270400] <~FastLizard4> No :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:53:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432270415] * DoctorPain99 blocks MJ94 [Thu 21 May 2015 21:53:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432270419] <@Revi> I'm an ordinary user, can I vandal everyone's userpage I disagree with? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:53:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432270422] <~FastLizard4> I think only TCN7JM doesn't have a LizardWiki account [Thu 21 May 2015 21:53:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432270431] <@MJ94> Revi: I'll give you admin if FastLizard4 approves [Thu 21 May 2015 21:53:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432270431] <~FastLizard4> Yeah, sure, but MJ94 might block you then :PO [Thu 21 May 2015 21:53:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432270437] <~JD|laptop> TCN7JM's on the road right now [Thu 21 May 2015 21:54:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432270443] <~FastLizard4> Yeah [Thu 21 May 2015 21:54:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432270453] <~FastLizard4> JD|laptop: Can you arrange for him to submit me a LizardWiki account request when he can? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:54:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432270460] <~JD|laptop> I'll FB message him [Thu 21 May 2015 21:54:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432270461] * Revi disconnects [Thu 21 May 2015 21:54:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432270497] <~FastLizard4> Okay, and I think we agreed to not bother with mailing lists, right? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:54:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432270498] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: can has bcrat? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:55:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432270504] <~FastLizard4> MJ94: After the meeting, sure :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:55:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432270510] <@MJ94> No mailing lists, please. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:55:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432270518] <~FastLizard4> Alright [Thu 21 May 2015 21:55:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432270531] <~FastLizard4> So, another issue that comes to mind [Thu 21 May 2015 21:55:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432270538] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: Your face? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:55:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432270542] <@MJ94> OOOOH BURN [Thu 21 May 2015 21:55:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432270543] <@DoctorPain99> no u [Thu 21 May 2015 21:55:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432270554] <~FastLizard4> So, aside from when this channel being public when it needs to be (open meetings, office hours, etc.) [Thu 21 May 2015 21:56:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432270564] <~FastLizard4> Do we want to keep this channel private to the networks' staff teams? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:56:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432270571] <@MJ94> Yes. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:56:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432270572] <~FastLizard4> So we have a private discussion area? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:56:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432270575] <@MJ94> Yes. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:56:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432270576] <@TLUL> Yes [Thu 21 May 2015 21:56:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432270577] <@DoctorPain99> yes [Thu 21 May 2015 21:56:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432270577] <~JD|laptop> I'd say keep it public and make a new private channel [Thu 21 May 2015 21:56:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432270580] <@DoctorPain99> ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 21:56:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432270585] <@MJ94> JD|laptop: NO MORE CHANNELS [Thu 21 May 2015 21:56:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432270590] <@DoctorPain99> MORE CHANNELS [Thu 21 May 2015 21:56:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432270590] <@MJ94> Dang it you guys [Thu 21 May 2015 21:56:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432270593] <~FastLizard4> MJ94: poo poo to your tabs :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:56:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432270600] <@MJ94> :| [Thu 21 May 2015 21:56:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432270605] <@MJ94> I resign as oper. :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:56:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432270607] <@TLUL> No preference between toggling this channel to private and making a new private channel [Thu 21 May 2015 21:57:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432270620] <~FastLizard4> It'd be easier to have two channels, I guess [Thu 21 May 2015 21:57:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432270627] <@MJ94> No no no [Thu 21 May 2015 21:57:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432270628] <@MJ94> :( [Thu 21 May 2015 21:57:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432270637] <@DoctorPain99> /kick MJ94 resigned [Thu 21 May 2015 21:57:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432270639] <~FastLizard4> MJ94 plz [Thu 21 May 2015 21:57:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432270642] <~FastLizard4> I have 72 tabs open in irssi :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:57:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432270656] <@TLUL> If we name the other one #networkmerge-sorrymj94, will that make up for it? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:57:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432270663] <~FastLizard4> heh [Thu 21 May 2015 21:57:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432270675] -!- mode/#networkmerge [+q MJ94] by MJ94 [Thu 21 May 2015 21:57:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432270675] -!- FastLizard4 was kicked from #networkmerge by MJ94 [shhh] [Thu 21 May 2015 21:57:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432270679] -!- FastLizard4 [fastlizard4@lizardirc/staff/wikipedia.FastLizard4] has joined #networkmerge [Thu 21 May 2015 21:57:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432270679] -!- Topic for #networkmerge: Discussion of network merge proposal. First meeting begins at 04:00 Fri 22 May 2015 UTC - timezone conversions: http://bit.ly/1A51rTd | Proposal text: http://bit.ly/1A51qP3 (doc is now visible, but only to staff!) | Note: For now, discussion of the merge is to be kept amongst both networks' staff only. [Thu 21 May 2015 21:57:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432270679] -!- Topic set by JD|laptop [~JD@lizardirc/staff/JD] [Wed May 20 19:34:53 2015] [Thu 21 May 2015 21:57:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432270679] [Users #networkmerge] [Thu 21 May 2015 21:57:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432270679] [~JD|desktop] [@ChanServ ] [@MJ94 ] [@Revi] [ FastLizard4] [Thu 21 May 2015 21:57:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432270679] [~JD|laptop ] [@DoctorPain99] [@Rav3n|afk] [@TLUL] [Thu 21 May 2015 21:57:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432270679] -!- Irssi: #networkmerge: Total of 9 nicks [8 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 1 normal] [Thu 21 May 2015 21:57:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432270679] -!- mode/#networkmerge [+qo FastLizard4 FastLizard4] by ChanServ [Thu 21 May 2015 21:57:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432270679] -!- Channel #networkmerge created Fri May 15 00:15:07 2015 [Thu 21 May 2015 21:57:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432270679] -!- Irssi: Join to #networkmerge was synced in 0 secs [Thu 21 May 2015 21:58:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432270688] <~FastLizard4> MJ94: don't do that, since I'm logging the meeting [Thu 21 May 2015 21:58:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432270703] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: Oh, right, sorry [Thu 21 May 2015 21:58:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432270706] <@TLUL> FastLizard4: You missed the part where they voted me new king of LizardIRC [Thu 21 May 2015 21:58:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432270716] <~FastLizard4> [citation needed] [Thu 21 May 2015 21:58:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432270732] <~FastLizard4> If it's not in the logs, it never happened [Thu 21 May 2015 21:58:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432270735] <~FastLizard4> :p [Thu 21 May 2015 21:59:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432270740] <@MJ94> TLUL: new king of [potentially newly branded] :P [Thu 21 May 2015 21:59:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432270740] <~JD|laptop> Okay, what else do we need to hash out? [Thu 21 May 2015 21:59:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432270753] <~JD|laptop> I think the CS-minded folks should look at my proposed rudimentary algorithm for services db merging [Thu 21 May 2015 21:59:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432270788] <@TLUL> I don't know what format the DB is in so I can't evaluate how feasible it is [Thu 21 May 2015 21:59:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432270793] <~JD|laptop> TLUL: opensex [Thu 21 May 2015 21:59:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432270795] <~JD|laptop> basically [Thu 21 May 2015 21:59:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432270795] <~FastLizard4> It's in a weird flatfile format [Thu 21 May 2015 21:59:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432270797] <~FastLizard4> Called OpenSEX [Thu 21 May 2015 22:00:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432270808] <~FastLizard4> It has the characteristics of a relational database, but is a flatfile [Thu 21 May 2015 22:00:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432270813] <~FastLizard4> Here, I can give you an example [Thu 21 May 2015 22:00:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432270818] <@MJ94> wat [Thu 21 May 2015 22:00:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432270838] * TLUL removes mind from gutter [Thu 21 May 2015 22:00:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432270855] <@TLUL> Okay, see, I can't Google for info about this [Thu 21 May 2015 22:00:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432270855] <@MJ94> TLUL: Can you find mine while you're there? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:01:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432270891] <@TLUL> For those reading the logs at home, don't Google it on a school/work machine [Thu 21 May 2015 22:01:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432270913] <~FastLizard4> MU AAAAAAAAB FastLizard4 [password hash] fastlizard4@fastlizard4.org 1278749624 1432268112 +heC en [Thu 21 May 2015 22:01:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432270913] <~FastLizard4> MDU FastLizard4 PGP-Public-Key-Id 0x221A627DD76E2616 [Thu 21 May 2015 22:01:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432270913] <~FastLizard4> MDU FastLizard4 private:doenforce 1 [Thu 21 May 2015 22:01:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432270913] <~FastLizard4> MDU FastLizard4 private:host:actual LizardSock@pool-71-119-14-176.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [Thu 21 May 2015 22:01:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432270913] <~FastLizard4> MDU FastLizard4 private:host:vhost LizardSock@pool-71-119-14-176.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [Thu 21 May 2015 22:01:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432270913] <~FastLizard4> MDU FastLizard4 private:lastquit:message Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client [Thu 21 May 2015 22:01:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432270913] <~FastLizard4> MDU FastLizard4 private:usercloak lizardirc/staff/wikipedia.FastLizard4 [Thu 21 May 2015 22:02:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432270921] <@MJ94> TLUL: Now I have to clear my history. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:02:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432270923] <~FastLizard4> This is a part of my NickServ registration info in the services.db file [Thu 21 May 2015 22:02:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432270927] <~FastLizard4> Password hash removed [Thu 21 May 2015 22:02:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432270943] <~FastLizard4> Though, actually, it looks like I misunderstood something for the better [Thu 21 May 2015 22:02:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432270950] <~FastLizard4> JD|laptop: Looks like there are no foreign keys [Thu 21 May 2015 22:02:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432270961] <~FastLizard4> Which makes me wonder why it has entity IDs at all [Thu 21 May 2015 22:02:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432270977] <~FastLizard4> Literally, I searched the file for "AAAAAAAAB" [Thu 21 May 2015 22:03:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432270988] <~FastLizard4> And the only place it appears is in my registration record [Thu 21 May 2015 22:03:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432270994] <~FastLizard4> Memos, ChanServ ACLs, etc. all refer to me by name [Thu 21 May 2015 22:03:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432271005] <~FastLizard4> So, believe it or not, that's actually one less thing to worry about [Thu 21 May 2015 22:04:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432271057] <~FastLizard4> https://github.com/atheme/atheme/blob/master/modules/backend/opensex.c [Thu 21 May 2015 22:04:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432271064] <~FastLizard4> This looks like the official Atheme implementation of OpenSEX [Thu 21 May 2015 22:04:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432271079] <@TLUL> Yeah, I was just skimming that. It doesn't give away much on format on its own [Thu 21 May 2015 22:04:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432271080] <~FastLizard4> Which really is an unfortunate name, but that's neither here nor there [Thu 21 May 2015 22:06:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432271168] <~FastLizard4> I can't find any better documentation [Thu 21 May 2015 22:06:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432271185] <~FastLizard4> Okay, first thing [Thu 21 May 2015 22:06:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432271203] <~FastLizard4> JD|laptop, TLUL, MJ94: How do we want to handle merge conflicts? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:06:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432271214] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: such as? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:06:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432271215] <~FastLizard4> I.e., for the NickServ accounts that exist on both networks, how do we handle those? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:07:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432271225] <@MJ94> Dump the newest one [Thu 21 May 2015 22:07:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432271227] <~FastLizard4> Do we want to try to intelligently merge the data? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:07:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432271231] <@MJ94> Keep the oldest registered [Thu 21 May 2015 22:07:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432271233] <~JD|laptop> MJ94: no dumping, see the document [Thu 21 May 2015 22:07:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432271239] <@MJ94> Or intelligently merge [Thu 21 May 2015 22:07:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432271241] <~JD|laptop> we want to intelligently merge [Thu 21 May 2015 22:07:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432271246] <~FastLizard4> As an alternative... [Thu 21 May 2015 22:07:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432271247] <@TLUL> Conflict of usernames: in the event we can determine that they're the same person, union of associated privilege [Thu 21 May 2015 22:07:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432271258] <@MJ94> Why no dumping? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:07:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432271259] <@TLUL> Otherwise handle case-by-case [Thu 21 May 2015 22:07:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432271260] <~FastLizard4> We could ask the few people who are affected to pick one network or the other [Thu 21 May 2015 22:07:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432271267] <~FastLizard4> And drop their registration on the other [Thu 21 May 2015 22:07:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432271267] <~JD|laptop> The older registration date takes precedence [Thu 21 May 2015 22:08:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432271280] <~FastLizard4> That would make things a *lot* simpler from a database merge perspective [Thu 21 May 2015 22:08:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432271295] <@MJ94> I agree [Thu 21 May 2015 22:08:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432271302] <@TLUL> FastLizard4: I'm not convinced it would [Thu 21 May 2015 22:08:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432271304] * JD|laptop is on like every access list on my network so it could be difficult to completely dump me... [Thu 21 May 2015 22:08:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432271325] <@TLUL> Our code still needs to handle collisions in case one crops up after we think we've manually resolved them all [Thu 21 May 2015 22:09:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432271358] <~JD|laptop> My algorithm would do it by brute force, iterating over all the LizardIRC accounts to determine if the JDNet account is a duplicate or not [Thu 21 May 2015 22:09:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432271360] <@TLUL> It's not a big step to do even a slightly intelligent resolution if you already have to detect [Thu 21 May 2015 22:09:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432271381] <@TLUL> Even if the resolution is "make the operator do something manually" [Thu 21 May 2015 22:09:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432271392] <~FastLizard4> Okay, that seems reasonable [Thu 21 May 2015 22:10:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432271438] <~FastLizard4> For exactly how we'll do the resolution, I'll say that's a problem for the (near) future [Thu 21 May 2015 22:10:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432271447] <~FastLizard4> Is there anything else in the proposal that needs to be discussed? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:10:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432271457] <@TLUL> Channel conflicts: detect and ask operator to pick one to keep. Only current known conflict is #opers, which we have yet to discuss [Thu 21 May 2015 22:11:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432271467] <~JD|laptop> We're discarding #opers on my side [Thu 21 May 2015 22:11:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432271475] <~JD|laptop> since as-is it's a redirect to my existent oper chans [Thu 21 May 2015 22:11:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432271490] <@TLUL> Yep, just wanted to get that in the logs :) [Thu 21 May 2015 22:11:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432271506] <~FastLizard4> And I presume #jdnet will just redirect into #lizardirc? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:12:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432271520] <~JD|laptop> it's not a conflict from the DB perspective but yeah it would get redirected [Thu 21 May 2015 22:12:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432271523] <~FastLizard4> And JDNet's oper-only chans redirect as appropriate? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:12:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432271526] <~FastLizard4> (Yeah, I know) [Thu 21 May 2015 22:12:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432271527] <@TLUL> How active is #jdnet at present? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:12:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432271531] <~FastLizard4> (But since we're on the subject) [Thu 21 May 2015 22:12:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432271537] <~JD|laptop> TLUL: it used to have *some* activity but now is silent [Thu 21 May 2015 22:12:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432271542] <~JD|laptop> hence the merge rationale [Thu 21 May 2015 22:12:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432271568] <@TLUL> Topic for discussion at some point: is MC-S2-ChatRelay still something we'd want in the main channel? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:12:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432271571] <@MJ94> JD|laptop: Your network seems totally silent. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:13:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432271582] <@MJ94> Why even keep it? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:13:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432271585] <~FastLizard4> TLUL: I'd say yes [Thu 21 May 2015 22:13:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432271586] <@MJ94> TLUL: Why not? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:13:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432271603] <~JD|laptop> Why not? It isn't that floody and I'll still have #Wikimedia [Thu 21 May 2015 22:13:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432271610] <~JD|laptop> where the majority of my users actually are [Thu 21 May 2015 22:13:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432271614] <@TLUL> (context: it relays chat between #lizardirc and the chat of LizardNet's s2 Minecraft server, at the expense of some minor status spam every 6 hours) [Thu 21 May 2015 22:13:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432271615] <~FastLizard4> Right [Thu 21 May 2015 22:13:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432271618] <~JD|laptop> and which used to be the most talkative chan [Thu 21 May 2015 22:13:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432271637] <@TLUL> Right, just wanted to bring it up since it's something staff on JDNet might not be familiar with [Thu 21 May 2015 22:14:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432271651] <~FastLizard4> Okay, after this meeting, I'll set up a page on LizardWiki for the merge [Thu 21 May 2015 22:14:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432271651] <@MJ94> JD|laptop: #Wikimedia should be #wikimedia :P [Thu 21 May 2015 22:14:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432271661] <~FastLizard4> And one of the first things I'd like to do is establish a list of things that need to be done for the merge [Thu 21 May 2015 22:14:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432271669] <~FastLizard4> And we can work on that together (Because yay wiki1) [Thu 21 May 2015 22:14:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432271674] <~FastLizard4> *wiki! [Thu 21 May 2015 22:14:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432271684] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: I'd be willing to help prepare for the merge. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:14:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432271688] <~JD|laptop> We need to reach out to communities right after this meeting, including making this channel public and making a second private channel [Thu 21 May 2015 22:14:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432271695] <@MJ94> In whatever way I can. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:15:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432271704] -!- Irssi: You are now talking in #networkmerge [Thu 21 May 2015 22:15:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432271705] <~FastLizard4> Done :P [Thu 21 May 2015 22:15:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432271717] -!- Irssi: You are now talking in #networkmerge [Thu 21 May 2015 22:15:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432271751] <~FastLizard4> Alright [Thu 21 May 2015 22:15:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432271756] <~FastLizard4> Looks like we've covered most of anything [Thu 21 May 2015 22:15:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432271759] <~FastLizard4> *everything [Thu 21 May 2015 22:16:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432271773] <~FastLizard4> So, let's go ahead and go through the proposal doc one more time, make any changes we need to [Thu 21 May 2015 22:16:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432271784] <~FastLizard4> At the close of meeting, I'd like to lock the document and actually upload it as a PDF to LizardWiki [Thu 21 May 2015 22:16:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432271784] <~JD|laptop> will this document be made public? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:16:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432271788] <~FastLizard4> Yes [Thu 21 May 2015 22:16:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432271812] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: Wait, one moment. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:17:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432271825] <~FastLizard4> Oh, right [Thu 21 May 2015 22:17:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432271827] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: Can you set #networkmerge-internal to be oper auto join? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:17:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432271852] <~FastLizard4> Yes, but is that necessary? :P [Thu 21 May 2015 22:17:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432271857] <@MJ94> Yes. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:17:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432271859] <~FastLizard4> That'd involve pushing a new config on the servers :P [Thu 21 May 2015 22:17:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432271863] <@MJ94> :| [Thu 21 May 2015 22:17:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432271865] <~JD|laptop> let's not [Thu 21 May 2015 22:17:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432271870] <@MJ94> finedont [Thu 21 May 2015 22:17:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432271878] <@MJ94> One less tab for me! [Thu 21 May 2015 22:17:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432271879] <@MJ94> :P [Thu 21 May 2015 22:18:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432271897] <~FastLizard4> We have consensus for making all O-lines global post-merge, right? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:18:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432271902] <@MJ94> Yes. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:18:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432271904] <~JD|laptop> okay let's review the document one last time (and yes ^) [Thu 21 May 2015 22:18:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432271914] <@TLUL> Re: global O-lines: worksforme [Thu 21 May 2015 22:18:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432271920] <@MJ94> I'd like to review the...yeah. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:18:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432271924] <@MJ94> what JD|laptop said [Thu 21 May 2015 22:18:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432271932] <~JD|laptop> Is everyone fine with my proposed method of module conflict resolution? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:19:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432271944] <~JD|laptop> where we take the union of the module sets with the mentioned exceptions [Thu 21 May 2015 22:19:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432271948] <@TLUL> Being "union of modules"? Yeah [Thu 21 May 2015 22:19:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432271956] <@MJ94> JD|laptop: I am not very familiar with the modules so I defer to others. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:19:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432271968] <~FastLizard4> JD|laptop: One conflict that stood out to me off the top of my head [Thu 21 May 2015 22:19:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432271970] <@TLUL> It might be nice to have a very high-level description of what each relevant module in the diff does [Thu 21 May 2015 22:19:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432271975] <@MJ94> ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 22:19:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432271978] <~FastLizard4> nickserv/setpass versus nickserv/user_setpass [Thu 21 May 2015 22:19:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432271999] <~FastLizard4> TLUL: I can add that, but it'll take a few minutes to get all that together [Thu 21 May 2015 22:20:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432272014] <~FastLizard4> Also, before I forget [Thu 21 May 2015 22:20:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432272016] <~FastLizard4> One more thing [Thu 21 May 2015 22:20:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432272027] <~FastLizard4> I think there is one meta-channel JDNet has that LizardIRC doesn't have an equivalent for, #jdnet-gbans [Thu 21 May 2015 22:20:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432272042] <~FastLizard4> Do we want to have such a channel on LizardIRC after the merge? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:20:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432272049] <@MJ94> Meta channel? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:20:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432272056] <@DoctorPain99> what is gbans? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:21:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432272060] <~FastLizard4> Meta-channel, like #opers or #operchat [Thu 21 May 2015 22:21:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432272060] <@MJ94> ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 22:21:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432272067] <~FastLizard4> gbans is a global bans channel [Thu 21 May 2015 22:21:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432272071] <@DoctorPain99> for what purpose? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:21:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432272073] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: what for? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:21:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432272075] <~FastLizard4> Essentially a list of +b's curated by network staff [Thu 21 May 2015 22:21:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432272081] <@DoctorPain99> why is that necessary [Thu 21 May 2015 22:21:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432272084] <@MJ94> ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 22:21:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432272085] <~FastLizard4> And channel owners can opt-in to by setting +V [Thu 21 May 2015 22:21:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432272094] <~FastLizard4> JD|laptop: ^ Wanna field this one? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:21:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432272107] <@MJ94> What purpose does that hold? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:22:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432272178] <~JD|laptop> FastLizard4: idk what user_setpass is even... I'd say not use user_setpass [Thu 21 May 2015 22:23:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432272182] <@TLUL> My interpretation is "netstaff ban people from gbans if they think they're generally disruptive, but not enough so to gline. channel owners can +V to inherit these bans" [Thu 21 May 2015 22:23:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432272189] <@TLUL> Is that interpretation correct? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:23:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432272198] <~JD|laptop> as for the shared bans I actually want to use a different module since I discovered a few bugs in this custom one [Thu 21 May 2015 22:23:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432272210] <~JD|laptop> it causes redirect bans to get a bit buggy [Thu 21 May 2015 22:23:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432272213] <@MJ94> I kinda like that, but it's not needed IMO [Thu 21 May 2015 22:23:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432272219] <@MJ94> So I'd say no. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:23:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432272233] <@TLUL> Per JD's objections to the current one, drop it for now and discuss replacement one after the merge? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:24:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432272240] <@MJ94> ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 22:24:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432272255] <@DoctorPain99> i don't like the idea of that [Thu 21 May 2015 22:24:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432272261] <~JD|laptop> https://github.com/inspircd/inspircd-extras/pull/61 has a decent replacement candidate [Thu 21 May 2015 22:24:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432272261] <@DoctorPain99> either g-line them or don't [Thu 21 May 2015 22:24:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432272270] <@MJ94> I agree with DoctorPain99 [Thu 21 May 2015 22:24:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432272273] <@DoctorPain99> this like weird halfway thing seems silly [Thu 21 May 2015 22:24:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432272282] <@MJ94> I don't think the channel is necessary [Thu 21 May 2015 22:24:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432272289] <@MJ94> I !vote not to have it. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:25:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432272301] <@MJ94> DoctorPain99: especially for a not-large network [Thu 21 May 2015 22:25:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432272302] <~JD|laptop> its original purpose though was for cases where network staff are unavailable [Thu 21 May 2015 22:25:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432272316] <@DoctorPain99> well hopefully that will never happen [Thu 21 May 2015 22:25:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432272316] <~JD|laptop> which would entail having non-opers having access to setting bans in the source channel [Thu 21 May 2015 22:25:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432272323] <@MJ94> JD|laptop: which likely isn't a problem [Thu 21 May 2015 22:25:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432272329] <@MJ94> here [Thu 21 May 2015 22:25:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432272335] <~JD|laptop> so basically I !vote for removing the current module as-is but using the proposed replacement in the future [Thu 21 May 2015 22:25:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432272337] <@TLUL> Yeah, I'm leaning no on #gbans being terribly useful, but I'd rather defer to later if it's not SNOWBALL here - JD has expressed objections to the current module [Thu 21 May 2015 22:25:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432272346] <~FastLizard4> JD|laptop: I'm sorry, sendpass_user versus sendpass [Thu 21 May 2015 22:25:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432272357] <~FastLizard4> I.e., whether we let users reset passwords themselves or require them to ask staff to do it for them [Thu 21 May 2015 22:26:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432272367] <~FastLizard4> I chose the latter to prevent abuse [Thu 21 May 2015 22:26:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432272369] <@MJ94> I'm with TLUL and DoctorPain99; however, I'm leaning towards just getting rid of it. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:26:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432272380] <@MJ94> Maybe we can discuss it at our last meeting. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:26:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432272389] <@DoctorPain99> we could discuss it after the merge too [Thu 21 May 2015 22:26:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432272396] <~FastLizard4> Right [Thu 21 May 2015 22:26:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432272398] <@DoctorPain99> I'm currently not opposed to it [Thu 21 May 2015 22:26:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432272399] <~JD|laptop> well these modules are mutually exclusive [Thu 21 May 2015 22:26:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432272399] <@MJ94> Can we have a post-merge meeting? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:26:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432272405] <@MJ94> DoctorPain99: good idea. :P [Thu 21 May 2015 22:26:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432272406] <~FastLizard4> Personally, I'd like to keep the sharedbans module [Thu 21 May 2015 22:27:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432272421] <@DoctorPain99> but I need to have a compelling argument for it to support it [Thu 21 May 2015 22:27:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432272421] <@MJ94> DoctorPain99: You and I are on the same mindset tonight. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:27:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432272422] <~FastLizard4> But whether we need a staff-run #gbans channel is up for debate [Thu 21 May 2015 22:27:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432272434] <@DoctorPain99> and right now i have not heard one [Thu 21 May 2015 22:27:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432272438] <@MJ94> ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 22:27:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432272443] <~JD|laptop> let's defer the #gbans channel to later [Thu 21 May 2015 22:27:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432272445] <@TLUL> What specifically does sharedbans do, then? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:27:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432272475] <~JD|laptop> TLUL: if #a sources bans from #b, and you are banned from #b, it follows that you are banned from #a (but not the other way around) [Thu 21 May 2015 22:28:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432272502] <@DoctorPain99> sharedbans is fine [Thu 21 May 2015 22:28:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432272512] <~JD|laptop> I'd say the setpass thing is more of an issue to discuss it [Thu 21 May 2015 22:28:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432272516] <@DoctorPain99> but i see no need for a staff run gbans channel [Thu 21 May 2015 22:29:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432272567] <@TLUL> Support sharedbans, though given the wonkiness JD describes we should consider replacing it sometime in the future [Thu 21 May 2015 22:29:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432272577] <@TLUL> Leaning no on #gbans for now [Thu 21 May 2015 22:29:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432272595] <~JD|laptop> #gbans is only effective if we appoint non-oper ops in it, btw. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:30:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432272648] <@TLUL> I tend to prefer sendpass that requires staff intervention, though I acknowledge that this might not always scale [Thu 21 May 2015 22:31:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432272668] <~JD|laptop> My users seldom forget their passwords so there's no benefit to making it user_sendpass [Thu 21 May 2015 22:31:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432272703] <~FastLizard4> Hmm [Thu 21 May 2015 22:31:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432272704] <@TLUL> It's a low-frequency and high-impact operation, so requiring staff seems the way to go [Thu 21 May 2015 22:31:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432272710] <@TLUL> (resetting a password, that is) [Thu 21 May 2015 22:32:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432272720] <~FastLizard4> Yeah, I'd say I prefer requiring staff intervention for sendpass [Thu 21 May 2015 22:32:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432272726] <~FastLizard4> Also, some of these IRCd modules might be worth discussion [Thu 21 May 2015 22:32:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432272726] <~JD|laptop> let's jot that down then [Thu 21 May 2015 22:32:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432272730] <~FastLizard4> like m_hideoper [Thu 21 May 2015 22:32:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432272773] <~JD|laptop> exactly. No-one on my network uses hideoper so it's nbd if you guys don't want it. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:32:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432272778] <~JD|laptop> (including me) [Thu 21 May 2015 22:33:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432272834] <@MJ94> What's hideoper? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:34:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432272848] <~JD|laptop> MJ94: hides the fact that you're an oper from everyone except other opers [Thu 21 May 2015 22:34:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432272852] <~JD|laptop> when you turn on the usermode [Thu 21 May 2015 22:34:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432272874] <@DoctorPain99> that's silly since we list staff on lizardwiki [Thu 21 May 2015 22:34:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432272895] <~JD|laptop> I also list my staff publicly, and again it's unused, I've just been too lazy to unload it :P [Thu 21 May 2015 22:35:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432272915] <@MJ94> Ooooh, sounds sneaky fun [Thu 21 May 2015 22:35:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432272916] <@TLUL> Vote to remove as useless :P [Thu 21 May 2015 22:35:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432272916] <@MJ94> :P [Thu 21 May 2015 22:35:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432272928] <@MJ94> Vote to remove FastLizard4 as useless :P [Thu 21 May 2015 22:35:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432272956] <~JD|laptop> I hence !vote to remove [Thu 21 May 2015 22:36:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432272960] <~FastLizard4> Okay, descriptions added to the modules list [Thu 21 May 2015 22:36:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432273010] <~FastLizard4> See the document [Thu 21 May 2015 22:37:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432273050] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: wait [Thu 21 May 2015 22:37:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432273053] <@MJ94> the dates [Thu 21 May 2015 22:37:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432273064] <@MJ94> we were changing the timetable, no? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:38:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432273080] <@MJ94> Note that if the async model is adopted, the timetable above becomes an estimate instead of a hard set of deadlines. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:38:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432273082] <@MJ94> Oh. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:38:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432273095] <~JD|laptop> it remains that the final meeting has to be rescheduled though [Thu 21 May 2015 22:38:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432273100] <~JD|laptop> if we want FastLizard4 in it [Thu 21 May 2015 22:38:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432273123] <~FastLizard4> Okay [Thu 21 May 2015 22:38:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432273134] <~FastLizard4> Aside from deciding what modules we want to keep from JDNet (both for services and IRCd) [Thu 21 May 2015 22:39:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432273145] <~FastLizard4> Is there anything else in the proposal that needs discussion or changing? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:39:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432273173] <~FastLizard4> Otherwise, I'd say let's figure out the modules merge, then lock up the proposal and get started on LizardWiki [Thu 21 May 2015 22:39:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432273182] <~FastLizard4> TLUL / JD|laptop / MJ94: ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 22:39:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432273186] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: again, timetable? do we need that on there if it's going to change? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:40:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432273202] <~FastLizard4> I'd say keep it with a note that it's now just a rough estimate [Thu 21 May 2015 22:40:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432273205] <~FastLizard4> Or, actually [Thu 21 May 2015 22:40:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432273211] <~FastLizard4> No, let's remove it and we'll do it on LizardWiki instead [Thu 21 May 2015 22:40:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432273216] <@MJ94> ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 22:40:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432273223] <~FastLizard4> Or, actually [Thu 21 May 2015 22:40:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432273225] <@TLUL> ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 22:40:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432273227] <~FastLizard4> Just blank the date column :P [Thu 21 May 2015 22:40:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432273232] <@MJ94> ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 22:40:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432273235] <@TLUL> ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 22:40:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432273237] <@DoctorPain99> v [Thu 21 May 2015 22:40:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432273243] <@TLUL> Do what FastLizard4 said [Thu 21 May 2015 22:40:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432273244] <~FastLizard4> < [Thu 21 May 2015 22:40:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432273256] <~FastLizard4> Okay [Thu 21 May 2015 22:41:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432273263] <~FastLizard4> I'm going to blank the date column, and we'll organize dates on the wiki [Thu 21 May 2015 22:41:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432273263] <~JD|laptop> I've removed "mandatory" from the 2nd and 3rd meetings [Thu 21 May 2015 22:41:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432273284] <~JD|laptop> FastLizard4: u fail at deleting whole columns :P [Thu 21 May 2015 22:41:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432273304] <~FastLizard4> Yes, yes I do :P [Thu 21 May 2015 22:41:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432273313] <~FastLizard4> Word processing is hard [Thu 21 May 2015 22:41:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432273314] <@MJ94> XD [Thu 21 May 2015 22:41:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432273318] <@TLUL> It's more of a timeline than a timetable now [Thu 21 May 2015 22:42:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432273322] <~FastLizard4> Alright, is that everything (except modules)? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:42:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432273333] <~JD|laptop> network rules conflicts too [Thu 21 May 2015 22:42:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432273337] <~JD|laptop> although that's slated for a later meeting [Thu 21 May 2015 22:42:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432273348] <~FastLizard4> Are there any? :P [Thu 21 May 2015 22:42:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432273350] <~FastLizard4> Besides vHosts [Thu 21 May 2015 22:42:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432273353] <@DoctorPain99> what rules conflict? :P [Thu 21 May 2015 22:42:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432273365] <@DoctorPain99> how do vHost rules differ? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:42:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432273365] <~JD|laptop> and dnsbl [Thu 21 May 2015 22:42:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432273376] <~FastLizard4> Oh, definitely keep dnsbl, definitely keep portscans [Thu 21 May 2015 22:43:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432273391] <~JD|laptop> DoctorPain99: I'm currently "whatever, use common sense, although GroupServ groups have control over their own prefixes" [Thu 21 May 2015 22:43:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432273399] <@MJ94> I changed it to "process" as it's not really a timeline. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:43:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432273406] <~FastLizard4> MJ94: fair enough :P [Thu 21 May 2015 22:43:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432273413] <@DoctorPain99> So should we adopt LizardIRC rules then? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:44:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432273446] <@DoctorPain99> for vHosts? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:44:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432273451] <~FastLizard4> We could actually do a clever compromise for JDNet vHosts [Thu 21 May 2015 22:44:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432273458] <~FastLizard4> Since we'll be manipulating the services database anyway [Thu 21 May 2015 22:44:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432273463] <~FastLizard4> We could prefix all JDNet vhosts with "jdnet/" [Thu 21 May 2015 22:44:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432273463] <@MJ94> I say keep existing hosts as is [Thu 21 May 2015 22:44:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432273472] <@MJ94> and then implement our rules [Thu 21 May 2015 22:44:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432273478] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: fun! yeah [Thu 21 May 2015 22:44:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432273487] <@TLUL> MJ94: Not a big fan of legacy support [Thu 21 May 2015 22:44:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432273487] <~JD|laptop> Also we should discuss the final network topology [Thu 21 May 2015 22:44:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432273499] <~JD|laptop> (which is also slated for this meeting) [Thu 21 May 2015 22:45:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432273507] <~FastLizard4> Topology we can discuss on LizardWiki I'd say [Thu 21 May 2015 22:45:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432273514] <@TLUL> "He has a cloak like this, can I get one too?" [Thu 21 May 2015 22:45:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432273515] <@MJ94> Can we wrap up the meeting soon? I'm getting tired and have a show to watch. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:45:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432273517] <~FastLizard4> It's not something I see as needing to be done for the initial proposal [Thu 21 May 2015 22:45:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432273523] <@MJ94> TLUL: why? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:45:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432273527] <@MJ94> TLUL: meh [Thu 21 May 2015 22:45:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432273529] <@MJ94> "no" [Thu 21 May 2015 22:45:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432273538] <@DoctorPain99> if we prefix all jdnet vhosts [Thu 21 May 2015 22:45:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432273539] <~FastLizard4> That's why I was proposing the "jdnet/"prefix solution [Thu 21 May 2015 22:45:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432273541] <~JD|laptop> MJ94: "no fair!" [Thu 21 May 2015 22:45:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432273541] <@DoctorPain99> yeah [Thu 21 May 2015 22:45:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432273545] <~FastLizard4> It'd allow all JDNet users to keep their vHosts [Thu 21 May 2015 22:45:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432273547] <@DoctorPain99> then it will follow our rules [Thu 21 May 2015 22:45:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432273553] <~FastLizard4> Right [Thu 21 May 2015 22:45:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432273557] <@MJ94> yeah, I agree, FastLizard4 [Thu 21 May 2015 22:45:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432273559] <~FastLizard4> It also makes it clear that "No, you can't get one like this" [Thu 21 May 2015 22:46:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432273563] <@MJ94> ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 22:46:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432273565] <@TLUL> Yup, I like that [Thu 21 May 2015 22:46:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432273577] <~FastLizard4> JD|laptop: How's that sound to you? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:47:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432273630] <~JD|laptop> That would be easiest, however, it /would/ "stick out"; I want my users to not stick out from the rest of you all, although some people /are/ fond of their particular vhosts. It's up to you all really. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:47:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432273655] <@DoctorPain99> we could just do that for vhosts that currently do not follow our rules [Thu 21 May 2015 22:47:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432273674] <@MJ94> DoctorPain99: meh, I don't agree [Thu 21 May 2015 22:47:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432273677] <@MJ94> all or none [Thu 21 May 2015 22:47:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432273678] <@DoctorPain99> either that or we could ask all users who have vhosts against the rules to request new ones [Thu 21 May 2015 22:48:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432273687] <@MJ94> I say request new ones [Thu 21 May 2015 22:48:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432273689] <~JD|laptop> MJ94: he has a valid point, some people have cloaks of the form wikipedia/name [Thu 21 May 2015 22:48:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432273690] <@MJ94> or modify our rules [Thu 21 May 2015 22:48:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432273702] <@MJ94> JD|laptop: so do I... [Thu 21 May 2015 22:48:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432273710] <@DoctorPain99> no you don't [Thu 21 May 2015 22:48:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432273714] <~JD|laptop> jdnet/wikipedia/name would look redundant here [Thu 21 May 2015 22:48:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432273717] <~FastLizard4> lizardirc/staff/wikipedia.FastLizard4 [Thu 21 May 2015 22:48:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432273719] <@MJ94> Why can't we allow wikipedia/name then? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:48:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432273722] <@MJ94> JD|laptop: yep [Thu 21 May 2015 22:48:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432273726] <~FastLizard4> MJ94: We do :P [Thu 21 May 2015 22:48:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432273727] <@DoctorPain99> we do allow that [Thu 21 May 2015 22:48:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432273731] <@DoctorPain99> no one said we didnt [Thu 21 May 2015 22:48:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432273734] <~JD|laptop> no need to prefix them [Thu 21 May 2015 22:48:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432273736] <~FastLizard4> Okay, how about this [Thu 21 May 2015 22:49:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432273743] <~FastLizard4> Since we'll be using a script to do the merge [Thu 21 May 2015 22:49:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432273746] <~JD|laptop> that's why I'd go w/ DoctorPain99's proposal to only prefix [Thu 21 May 2015 22:49:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432273751] <~FastLizard4> We can just have it prompt whomever is running the script [Thu 21 May 2015 22:49:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432273751] <~JD|laptop> for policy-violating cloaks [Thu 21 May 2015 22:49:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432273755] <~FastLizard4> Every time there's a cloak [Thu 21 May 2015 22:49:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432273769] <~FastLizard4> And if it violates the vHost policy, the operator just hits "yes" or whatever and the jdnet/ prefix is added [Thu 21 May 2015 22:49:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432273772] <~FastLizard4> Otherwise, kept as is through the merge [Thu 21 May 2015 22:49:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432273783] <~FastLizard4> Sound good? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:49:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432273785] <~JD|laptop> this can also be used to ask "is this account on LizardIRC yet?" [Thu 21 May 2015 22:49:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432273786] <@TLUL> Seems good to me [Thu 21 May 2015 22:49:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432273799] <~FastLizard4> Right [Thu 21 May 2015 22:50:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432273803] <@DoctorPain99> seems ok to me [Thu 21 May 2015 22:50:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432273804] <~FastLizard4> Okay, let me add that to the proposal [Thu 21 May 2015 22:50:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432273810] <~JD|laptop> that would sound good to me since we don't have that many (my atheme database is <100 accounts) [Thu 21 May 2015 22:50:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432273817] <@MJ94> What types of vHosts don't match our rules? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:50:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432273821] <~FastLizard4> Remember, the scope of this proposal is to answer any initial questions our users may have [Thu 21 May 2015 22:50:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432273848] <~JD|laptop> MJ94: Stryn!*@Stryn for example is a current nickmask for one of my users [Thu 21 May 2015 22:51:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432273864] <@MJ94> wat [Thu 21 May 2015 22:51:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432273865] <@MJ94> ew [Thu 21 May 2015 22:51:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432273883] <~JD|laptop> also Brian!*@Jasperiscool :P [Thu 21 May 2015 22:51:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432273888] <@MJ94> :| [Thu 21 May 2015 22:51:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432273899] <@MJ94> I change my !vote. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:51:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432273909] <@MJ94> Enforce our vHost policy :P [Thu 21 May 2015 22:51:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432273917] <~JD|laptop> these would be prefixed MJ94 [Thu 21 May 2015 22:52:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432273938] <@MJ94> Oh, okay [Thu 21 May 2015 22:52:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432273949] <@MJ94> As long as they look semi-uniformed to ours. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:52:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432273954] <@MJ94> And don't stand out too badly [Thu 21 May 2015 22:53:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432274015] <~FastLizard4> DoctorPain99 left the docs viewing [Thu 21 May 2015 22:53:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432274017] <~FastLizard4> very bad [Thu 21 May 2015 22:53:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432274022] <~FastLizard4> sᴇʀɪᴏᴜs ᴛʀᴏᴜвʟᴇ [Thu 21 May 2015 22:53:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432274026] <@DoctorPain99> i thought the meeting was over ;3; [Thu 21 May 2015 22:53:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432274032] <~FastLizard4> No, it's not [Thu 21 May 2015 22:53:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432274036] <@DoctorPain99> what [Thu 21 May 2015 22:54:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432274042] <~FastLizard4> Okay, anything else to discuss before the final topic of the modules? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:54:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432274050] <@DoctorPain99> no [Thu 21 May 2015 22:54:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432274062] * MJ94 falls asleep. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:54:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432274065] <~JD|laptop> no [Thu 21 May 2015 22:54:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432274074] <@MJ94> (No.) [Thu 21 May 2015 22:54:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432274074] <~JD|laptop> especially since modules will take a long time [Thu 21 May 2015 22:55:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432274125] <~FastLizard4> Okay then [Thu 21 May 2015 22:55:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432274157] <~FastLizard4> So, let's start with IRCd modules [Thu 21 May 2015 22:56:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432274167] <~FastLizard4> I've updated the diff with information about each module [Thu 21 May 2015 22:56:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432274181] <~FastLizard4> Of the green ones - i.e., the ones that JDNet has and LizardIRC presently doesn't - which do we want to keep? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:56:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432274198] <~FastLizard4> m_abbreviation I'll defer to JD|laptop, since I don't know how useful it is [Thu 21 May 2015 22:57:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432274231] <~JD|laptop> IMO m_abbreviation consumes unnecessary CPU cycles, people should learn to either make aliases or use full commands [Thu 21 May 2015 22:57:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432274232] <@MJ94> I do not know what most of the modules do, so I will defer all judgment to you all. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:57:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432274263] <@TLUL> Per JD|laptop, drop m_abbreviation.so [Thu 21 May 2015 22:57:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432274264] <@MJ94> JD|laptop: abbreviations for what? like /hs and stuff? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:57:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432274272] <~FastLizard4> No, /hs is implemented as alises [Thu 21 May 2015 22:57:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432274279] <~FastLizard4> */hs, /ns, and the like [Thu 21 May 2015 22:58:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432274283] <~FastLizard4> I'm actually not sure what m_abbreviation does :P [Thu 21 May 2015 22:58:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432274295] <@TLUL> FastLizard4: Some clients (*cough*thisone*cough*) don't come with those hardwired [Thu 21 May 2015 22:58:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432274305] <~FastLizard4> I know [Thu 21 May 2015 22:58:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432274306] <@MJ94> /hs doesn't work on JDN, but it does here. [Thu 21 May 2015 22:58:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432274312] <~FastLizard4> They're implemented in the IRC server config [Thu 21 May 2015 22:58:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432274316] <~FastLizard4> I meant server-side aliases [Thu 21 May 2015 22:58:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432274321] <~JD|laptop> https://wiki.inspircd.org/Modules/2.0/abbreviation [Thu 21 May 2015 22:58:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432274321] <~FastLizard4> TLUL: Try /quote ns [Thu 21 May 2015 22:58:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432274332] <@TLUL> Yeah, so m_abbreviation.so is just a different implementation of aliases? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:58:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432274334] <@TLUL> Seems redundant [Thu 21 May 2015 22:59:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432274341] <~JD|laptop> not exactly [Thu 21 May 2015 22:59:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432274351] <@MJ94> [00:58:55] Message(421): HS Unknown command on JDNet [Thu 21 May 2015 22:59:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432274352] <~JD|laptop> TLUL: the alias must be a proper prefix of the command [Thu 21 May 2015 22:59:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432274362] <~JD|laptop> MJ94: I have /hos and /hes b/c I have both Host and HelpServ [Thu 21 May 2015 22:59:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432274371] <@MJ94> Ohhh [Thu 21 May 2015 22:59:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432274371] <~JD|laptop> but most users don't use these services that often [Thu 21 May 2015 22:59:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432274373] <~FastLizard4> Ooooh, I get it [Thu 21 May 2015 22:59:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432274386] <~FastLizard4> TLUL: So, you know how in irssi, you can just specify the first n letters of a command? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:59:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432274398] <~FastLizard4> And, if those first n letters unambiguously refer to a single command, it assumes that's what you meant? [Thu 21 May 2015 22:59:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432274398] <@TLUL> FastLizard4: I did not know that [Thu 21 May 2015 23:00:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432274403] <~FastLizard4> Try it [Thu 21 May 2015 23:00:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432274408] <~FastLizard4> /ser for example [Thu 21 May 2015 23:00:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432274410] <~FastLizard4> Expands to /server [Thu 21 May 2015 23:00:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432274417] <~FastLizard4> This is the same thing, but implemented for server-side commands [Thu 21 May 2015 23:00:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432274425] <@TLUL> Well, that one's ambiguous for me [Thu 21 May 2015 23:00:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432274438] <~FastLizard4> It's neat, but probably not needed [Thu 21 May 2015 23:00:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432274441] <~JD|laptop> I'd say get rid of this one [Thu 21 May 2015 23:00:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432274442] <@MJ94> I like the idea of HelpServ! [Thu 21 May 2015 23:00:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432274456] <~JD|laptop> MJ94: then stay tuned for services modules discussion [Thu 21 May 2015 23:01:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432274471] <~FastLizard4> We have HelpServ [Thu 21 May 2015 23:01:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432274473] <~FastLizard4> :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:01:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432274490] <~FastLizard4> So drop m_abbreviation? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:01:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432274494] <~JD|laptop> aye [Thu 21 May 2015 23:01:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432274498] <@TLUL> aye [Thu 21 May 2015 23:01:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432274508] <~FastLizard4> MJ94: ? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:01:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432274510] <@TLUL> How did we both think to respond "aye" instead of "yes" at the same time? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:01:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432274516] <@MJ94> testing [Thu 21 May 2015 23:02:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432274558] <~FastLizard4> Well, I say aye to dropping m_abbreviation too, so we'll carry that one [Thu 21 May 2015 23:02:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432274560] <~FastLizard4> Next up is m_autoop [Thu 21 May 2015 23:02:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432274568] <~FastLizard4> Provides the UHNAMES facility [Thu 21 May 2015 23:02:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432274569] <~FastLizard4> erm [Thu 21 May 2015 23:02:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432274571] <@MJ94> Can we take a 5 minute break? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:02:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432274578] <~JD|laptop> does that motion have a second? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:03:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432274581] <@TLUL> second [Thu 21 May 2015 23:03:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432274591] <~JD|laptop> okay, break until 5 min. from this line [Thu 21 May 2015 23:03:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432274601] <@DoctorPain99> a break? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:03:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432274607] <~FastLizard4> Works for me [Thu 21 May 2015 23:03:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432274610] <~FastLizard4> Closing log for the break [Thu 21 May 2015 23:03:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432274611] <@DoctorPain99> i thought this meeting was only supposed to be two hours :| --- Log closed Thu May 21 23:03:34 2015 --- Log opened Thu May 21 23:10:25 2015 [Thu 21 May 2015 23:10:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432275029] <@TLUL> sort(meeting) [Thu 21 May 2015 23:10:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432275033] <~FastLizard4> hah [Thu 21 May 2015 23:10:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432275036] <~FastLizard4> Meeting now back in session, logging resumed [Thu 21 May 2015 23:10:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432275042] <@MJ94> JD|laptop: What is this, LizardSenate? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:10:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432275043] <@MJ94> :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:10:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432275046] <~FastLizard4> Lol [Thu 21 May 2015 23:10:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432275049] <@DoctorPain99> pls [Thu 21 May 2015 23:11:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432275064] <~JD|laptop> anyways, so next module, m_autoop [Thu 21 May 2015 23:11:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432275076] <~FastLizard4> m_autoop provides a +w channel mode that allows a rudimentary access list [Thu 21 May 2015 23:11:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432275078] <~FastLizard4> For example [Thu 21 May 2015 23:11:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432275086] <~JD|laptop> This is mostly redundant to services, however it is useful in case of netsplits [Thu 21 May 2015 23:11:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432275086] <~FastLizard4> +w o:*!*@lizardirc/staff/( [Thu 21 May 2015 23:11:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432275088] <~FastLizard4> erm [Thu 21 May 2015 23:11:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432275091] <~FastLizard4> +w o:*!*@lizardirc/staff/* [Thu 21 May 2015 23:11:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432275101] <~FastLizard4> Would grant ops to everyone with a hostmask like *!*@lizardirc/staff/* [Thu 21 May 2015 23:11:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432275108] <@TLUL> Support as a backup in the event of netsplits per JD [Thu 21 May 2015 23:11:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432275118] <~FastLizard4> I'm neutral [Thu 21 May 2015 23:12:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432275120] <@MJ94> How does it work? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:12:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432275131] <~FastLizard4> We used to have it, but I removed it since I felt it was redundant to services; wouldn't be opposed to having it back, though [Thu 21 May 2015 23:12:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432275139] <@MJ94> Why would it work in net splits when services wouldn't? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:12:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432275142] <~JD|laptop> MJ94: on join the server will promote a user if it matches a corresponding +w entry [Thu 21 May 2015 23:12:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432275147] <~JD|laptop> MJ94: b/c it's IRCd-side [Thu 21 May 2015 23:12:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432275157] <~JD|laptop> and if services are not on your side of the split it would still work [Thu 21 May 2015 23:12:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432275168] <@MJ94> {{support}} [Thu 21 May 2015 23:13:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432275182] <~FastLizard4> Alright, enabling m_autoop carries [Thu 21 May 2015 23:13:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432275212] <~FastLizard4> m_blockamsg.so is next [Thu 21 May 2015 23:13:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432275219] <~FastLizard4> This one's pretty self-explanatory I think [Thu 21 May 2015 23:13:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432275225] <~FastLizard4> Though JD|laptop will need to tell us if it's effective or not [Thu 21 May 2015 23:13:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432275236] <~FastLizard4> It essentially blocks usage of the /amsg script, which is "send a message to every channel a user is on" [Thu 21 May 2015 23:14:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432275253] <~JD|laptop> No-one has attempted to do that AFAIK. [Thu 21 May 2015 23:14:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432275260] <@MJ94> What's wrong with amsg? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:14:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432275268] <~FastLizard4> It can be used for spam [Thu 21 May 2015 23:14:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432275268] <@MJ94> JD|laptop: I wanna try it :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:14:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432275269] <~JD|laptop> and it can only be partially effective because you generally cannot prove whether a message was sent using /amsg or not. [Thu 21 May 2015 23:14:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432275271] <~FastLizard4> And many find it annoying as hell :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:14:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432275281] <@TLUL> If someone does do that, we warn them to please not do that [Thu 21 May 2015 23:14:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432275285] <@MJ94> ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 23:15:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432275302] <@MJ94> I don't support that module. [Thu 21 May 2015 23:15:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432275304] <~FastLizard4> Looks like the motion is to reject m_blockamsg [Thu 21 May 2015 23:15:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432275315] <~JD|laptop> On the one hand I think it serves a useful function, but any filtering module is CPU-expensive [Thu 21 May 2015 23:15:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432275316] <@TLUL> No objection to the functionality, but I question the usefulness since I've never observed the targeted behaviour and apparently JD hasn't either [Thu 21 May 2015 23:15:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432275321] <~JD|laptop> I'm fine w/ dropping it [Thu 21 May 2015 23:15:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432275334] <~FastLizard4> Okay, rejection carries [Thu 21 May 2015 23:15:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432275342] <~FastLizard4> Next is m_chanfilter.so [Thu 21 May 2015 23:15:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432275349] <~FastLizard4> Provides channel-specific censor lists [Thu 21 May 2015 23:16:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432275362] <~FastLizard4> I.e., a channel can set what "bad words" they want to censor from the channel's chat [Thu 21 May 2015 23:16:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432275370] <@MJ94> Support [Thu 21 May 2015 23:16:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432275371] <~JD|laptop> I've used this occasionally, such as when iDangerMouse was singing "in a barbie world" in #JDNet [Thu 21 May 2015 23:16:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432275375] <~FastLizard4> lol [Thu 21 May 2015 23:16:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432275377] <@TLUL> lol [Thu 21 May 2015 23:16:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432275379] <@MJ94> JD|laptop: LOL [Thu 21 May 2015 23:16:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432275382] <~FastLizard4> I'd be liable to set up a /filter for that [Thu 21 May 2015 23:16:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432275383] <~FastLizard4> :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:16:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432275397] <~FastLizard4> Alright, looks like the motion is to accept the module [Thu 21 May 2015 23:16:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432275397] <~JD|laptop> so we're keeping this then [Thu 21 May 2015 23:16:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432275415] <~FastLizard4> I'll say accept it, so we'll carry the accept [Thu 21 May 2015 23:16:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432275419] <@TLUL> Support, with lingering question of CPU usage [Thu 21 May 2015 23:17:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432275427] <@MJ94> When we're off logging, I'll tell you guys something about that song... [Thu 21 May 2015 23:17:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432275441] <~FastLizard4> lol [Thu 21 May 2015 23:17:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432275442] <@TLUL> You're just teasing the logreaders by saying that :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:17:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432275444] <~FastLizard4> OKay, next is m_deaf.so [Thu 21 May 2015 23:17:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432275453] <~FastLizard4> Provides +d usermode which blocks incoming channel messages and notices [Thu 21 May 2015 23:17:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432275459] <~FastLizard4> But not PMs or pviate notices [Thu 21 May 2015 23:17:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432275460] <~JD|laptop> note that this is a feature on freenode [Thu 21 May 2015 23:17:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432275461] <~FastLizard4> *private, too [Thu 21 May 2015 23:17:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432275465] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: why? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:17:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432275477] <~FastLizard4> Frankly, I dunno, which is why I didn't enable it :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:18:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432275480] <~FastLizard4> BUt I'm sure someone has a use for it [Thu 21 May 2015 23:18:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432275498] <@TLUL> Use case: You would like to talk into a channel without anyone talking back [Thu 21 May 2015 23:18:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432275503] <@TLUL> Not seeming terribly useful to me :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:18:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432275515] <~JD|laptop> The only use case I can think of is if someone wants to be reachable, but doesn't want to fill up their logs or get too much lit-up windows [Thu 21 May 2015 23:18:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432275527] <~FastLizard4> TLUL: I don't know if you can talk in a channel with +d set [Thu 21 May 2015 23:18:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432275532] <~FastLizard4> It might be both ways [Thu 21 May 2015 23:18:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432275538] <~JD|laptop> it's only one-way [Thu 21 May 2015 23:19:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432275542] <~FastLizard4> mm [Thu 21 May 2015 23:19:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432275544] <@MJ94> Reject/ [Thu 21 May 2015 23:19:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432275544] <@TLUL> FastLizard4: Well then why be in the channel at all? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:19:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432275547] <~FastLizard4> I'm inclined to reject [Thu 21 May 2015 23:19:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432275548] <@MJ94> Reject.* [Thu 21 May 2015 23:19:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432275550] <@TLUL> Reject [Thu 21 May 2015 23:19:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432275553] <~JD|laptop> okay so the motion is to reject [Thu 21 May 2015 23:19:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432275558] <~FastLizard4> And carries [Thu 21 May 2015 23:19:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432275565] <~FastLizard4> Next is m_deferaccept [Thu 21 May 2015 23:19:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432275578] <~FastLizard4> JD|laptop: You'll have to tell us what it does :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:19:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432275585] <~JD|laptop> do you know what defer accept is on Linux? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:19:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432275585] <~FastLizard4> All I know is it aims to mitigate DoS/DDoS attacks [Thu 21 May 2015 23:19:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432275593] <~FastLizard4> Kinda sorta [Thu 21 May 2015 23:19:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432275595] <~JD|laptop> It does not only that but apparently improves overall socket performance [Thu 21 May 2015 23:20:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432275602] <~JD|laptop> Linux-only feature [Thu 21 May 2015 23:20:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432275631] <~FastLizard4> Sounds alright to me [Thu 21 May 2015 23:20:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432275636] <~FastLizard4> Accept [Thu 21 May 2015 23:20:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432275645] <@TLUL> Summary: doesn't wake up a process to handle data until actual data is sent [Thu 21 May 2015 23:20:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432275647] <~JD|laptop> No reason not to keep it [Thu 21 May 2015 23:20:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432275654] <@MJ94> Support [Thu 21 May 2015 23:20:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432275659] <@TLUL> That is, someone opening a bunch of connections without sending anything will get nowhere [Thu 21 May 2015 23:21:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432275662] <@TLUL> Support [Thu 21 May 2015 23:21:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432275665] <~FastLizard4> Okay, m_deferaccept carries [Thu 21 May 2015 23:21:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432275686] <~FastLizard4> Next is m_denychans.so [Thu 21 May 2015 23:21:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432275695] <~FastLizard4> Like /cban, but in the config file [Thu 21 May 2015 23:21:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432275702] <~FastLizard4> At least, that's my understanding [Thu 21 May 2015 23:21:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432275713] <~FastLizard4> I'd say reject on the basis that it's mostly redundant with /cban and the similar services features [Thu 21 May 2015 23:22:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432275730] <@MJ94> What is cban? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:22:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432275735] <~FastLizard4> Channel ban [Thu 21 May 2015 23:22:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432275740] <~FastLizard4> cban'd channels can't be joined [Thu 21 May 2015 23:22:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432275744] <~FastLizard4> By anyone [Thu 21 May 2015 23:22:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432275752] <~JD|laptop> I'd say reject [Thu 21 May 2015 23:22:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432275767] <@TLUL> reject [Thu 21 May 2015 23:22:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432275772] <~FastLizard4> Okay, reject carries [Thu 21 May 2015 23:23:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432275781] <~FastLizard4> m_globalload.so [Thu 21 May 2015 23:23:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432275785] <@TLUL> Side note, is this how we implement #anonops automatically glining people? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:23:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432275788] <@MJ94> Reject to denychans [Thu 21 May 2015 23:23:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432275794] <~FastLizard4> TLUL: No, that's in services [Thu 21 May 2015 23:23:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432275797] <@TLUL> (/cban, that is) [Thu 21 May 2015 23:23:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432275797] <@MJ94> TLUL: no [Thu 21 May 2015 23:23:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432275798] <~FastLizard4> operserv/contrib_klinechan [Thu 21 May 2015 23:23:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432275802] <@TLUL> Ah, okay [Thu 21 May 2015 23:23:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432275809] <~JD|laptop> globalload is gonna save us some headaches when we want to load a new module :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:23:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432275812] <~FastLizard4> Yeah [Thu 21 May 2015 23:23:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432275818] <~FastLizard4> But we have to add things to config anyway [Thu 21 May 2015 23:23:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432275819] <~JD|laptop> b/c we will now have 5 servers [Thu 21 May 2015 23:23:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432275827] <@MJ94> What does global load do? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:23:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432275830] <~FastLizard4> And a rehash will load new modules, right? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:24:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432275846] <~JD|laptop> It does. But globalload is useful if you want to first load a module but edit the configuration file gradually. [Thu 21 May 2015 23:24:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432275848] <~FastLizard4> Sorry, this one is really only JD|laptop and me, since we're the only ones who are going to work with the IRCd configs [Thu 21 May 2015 23:24:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432275850] <~FastLizard4> :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:24:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432275863] <~FastLizard4> I have no objections to keeping it, sounds like it might be useful [Thu 21 May 2015 23:24:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432275866] <~JD|laptop> I use this module a lot on my network so I strongly support keeping it. [Thu 21 May 2015 23:24:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432275872] <~FastLizard4> Alright, we'll accept that one [Thu 21 May 2015 23:24:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432275891] <~FastLizard4> DoctorPain99: Still around? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:25:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432275903] <~FastLizard4> I just realized that he hasn't been giving input :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:25:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432275925] <~FastLizard4> Okay, next is m_hidechans.so [Thu 21 May 2015 23:25:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432275930] <~FastLizard4> Adds a channel mode that hides the channel [Thu 21 May 2015 23:25:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432275938] <~FastLizard4> JD|laptop: You'll have to explain this one :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:25:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432275944] <~FastLizard4> It seems redundant to +p/+s to me [Thu 21 May 2015 23:25:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432275948] <~JD|laptop> https://wiki.inspircd.org/Modules/2.0/hidechans [Thu 21 May 2015 23:25:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432275953] <~JD|laptop> except that even if the channel is in common [Thu 21 May 2015 23:25:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432275956] * TLUL smacks DoctorPain99 around a bit with a smellingtrout [Thu 21 May 2015 23:25:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432275957] <~JD|laptop> you still can't see it [Thu 21 May 2015 23:26:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432275967] <~FastLizard4> Hm [Thu 21 May 2015 23:26:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432275974] <~FastLizard4> I don't see that as being particularly useful, vote reject [Thu 21 May 2015 23:26:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432275994] <~JD|laptop> No-one seems to use it, however some may find the privacy useful, so neutral [Thu 21 May 2015 23:26:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432276001] <@TLUL> Not seeing a use case here [Thu 21 May 2015 23:27:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432276034] <~FastLizard4> TLUL: Is that a reject vote? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:27:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432276042] <@TLUL> Implementing pseudo-privacy (ie privacy that can be trivially defeated by eg a client script) is probably a bad thing, so reject [Thu 21 May 2015 23:27:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432276073] <~JD|laptop> MJ94: ^ your turn [Thu 21 May 2015 23:28:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432276092] <@MJ94> Reject. [Thu 21 May 2015 23:28:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432276111] <~FastLizard4> okay, reject carries [Thu 21 May 2015 23:28:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432276113] <~FastLizard4> Next is m_hideoper.so [Thu 21 May 2015 23:28:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432276122] <~FastLizard4> We already talked about this one, I believe everyone said reject [Thu 21 May 2015 23:28:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432276122] <~JD|laptop> This one only concerns us for obvious reasons [Thu 21 May 2015 23:29:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432276162] <@MJ94> Reject. [Thu 21 May 2015 23:29:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432276167] <@TLUL> Reject [Thu 21 May 2015 23:29:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432276181] <~FastLizard4> Okay, reject carries [Thu 21 May 2015 23:29:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432276182] <@DoctorPain99> FastLizard4: what [Thu 21 May 2015 23:29:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432276188] <~FastLizard4> DoctorPain99: The meeting's back on :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:29:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432276193] <@DoctorPain99> i know [Thu 21 May 2015 23:29:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432276196] <~JD|laptop> DoctorPain99: we went through like 5 modules and you never gave your !vote [Thu 21 May 2015 23:30:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432276202] <@DoctorPain99> because [Thu 21 May 2015 23:30:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432276221] <@DoctorPain99> this is the part where i defer my votes to the people who know that theyre doing [Thu 21 May 2015 23:30:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432276228] <~FastLizard4> Okay, so you're recusing yourself? :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:30:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432276237] <@DoctorPain99> basically [Thu 21 May 2015 23:30:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432276239] <~FastLizard4> kk [Thu 21 May 2015 23:30:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432276242] <~JD|laptop> DoctorPain99: we give plain language explanations of what each does :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:30:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432276259] <@DoctorPain99> well like [Thu 21 May 2015 23:31:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432276275] <@TLUL> FastLizard4: I read that as "recursing yourself" and was confused [Thu 21 May 2015 23:31:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432276278] <~FastLizard4> lol [Thu 21 May 2015 23:31:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432276284] <~FastLizard4> Anyway, next module [Thu 21 May 2015 23:31:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432276286] <~FastLizard4> m_ircv3.so [Thu 21 May 2015 23:31:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432276286] <@DoctorPain99> i'm probably just going to use the same thing ive been using [Thu 21 May 2015 23:31:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432276298] <@DoctorPain99> regardless of what gets added [Thu 21 May 2015 23:31:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432276299] <~JD|laptop> m_ircv3 we already decided to keep [Thu 21 May 2015 23:31:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432276303] <~FastLizard4> Right [Thu 21 May 2015 23:31:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432276307] <~JD|laptop> although for this module there are multiple parts [Thu 21 May 2015 23:31:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432276308] <@MJ94> what is it? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:31:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432276318] <~FastLizard4> It adds newfangled IRC v3 protocol support [Thu 21 May 2015 23:32:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432276335] <~FastLizard4> Magic things like away-notify, multi-prefix [Thu 21 May 2015 23:32:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432276349] <@MJ94> Sounds cool [Thu 21 May 2015 23:32:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432276350] <~JD|laptop> I strongly support keeping them. [Thu 21 May 2015 23:32:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432276353] <@MJ94> Support [Thu 21 May 2015 23:32:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432276356] <~FastLizard4> Yeah, I support as well [Thu 21 May 2015 23:32:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432276360] <~FastLizard4> We'll carry that one as accept [Thu 21 May 2015 23:32:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432276379] <~FastLizard4> Next is m_mlock.so [Thu 21 May 2015 23:33:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432276392] <~FastLizard4> Serverside enforcement of /cs set mlock [Thu 21 May 2015 23:33:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432276412] <~JD|laptop> This is used on freenode and can give ChanServ a break from bouncing mode changes [Thu 21 May 2015 23:33:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432276418] <~JD|laptop> So support [Thu 21 May 2015 23:33:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432276430] <~FastLizard4> So, essentially, instead of ChanServ immediately setting the modes back, the IRCd says the mode change was refused? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:33:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432276434] <~JD|laptop> yes [Thu 21 May 2015 23:34:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432276441] <~FastLizard4> Okay, I'll support that [Thu 21 May 2015 23:34:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432276451] <@MJ94> I don't understand [Thu 21 May 2015 23:34:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432276453] <@MJ94> Neutral [Thu 21 May 2015 23:34:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432276453] <@TLUL> How does it know to do that? Where is the mlock coming from? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:34:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432276461] <~FastLizard4> From ChanServ [Thu 21 May 2015 23:34:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432276470] <~JD|laptop> MJ94, TLUL: ChanServ will tell the network that the modes should stay some way [Thu 21 May 2015 23:34:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432276485] <~JD|laptop> then the IRCd will enforce it on /mode rather than ChanServ merely having to revert the mode [Thu 21 May 2015 23:34:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432276486] <@TLUL> So when the server sees a mode change, it immediately asks ChanServ (or ChanServ knows to inform the network)? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:34:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432276497] <~FastLizard4> Right [Thu 21 May 2015 23:35:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432276500] <~FastLizard4> That's my understanding, anyway [Thu 21 May 2015 23:35:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432276504] <~JD|laptop> It's the latter [Thu 21 May 2015 23:35:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432276517] <~JD|laptop> CS will inform all the servers to enforce the mlock [Thu 21 May 2015 23:35:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432276531] <~FastLizard4> I'd say accept to that [Thu 21 May 2015 23:35:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432276535] <@TLUL> Do we need a corresponding services module, or does it come with support? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:35:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432276540] <@TLUL> Accept either way [Thu 21 May 2015 23:35:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432276541] <~JD|laptop> it's built-in [Thu 21 May 2015 23:35:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432276555] <~FastLizard4> TLUL: We need a corresponding services module, but we technically already have it [Thu 21 May 2015 23:35:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432276559] <~FastLizard4> It'd be the protocol/inspircd2 [Thu 21 May 2015 23:36:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432276560] <~FastLizard4> module [Thu 21 May 2015 23:36:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432276571] <~FastLizard4> And we have to use it anyway because, well, we run inspird2 [Thu 21 May 2015 23:36:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432276571] <~FastLizard4> :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:36:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432276573] <~FastLizard4> *inspircd [Thu 21 May 2015 23:36:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432276579] <~FastLizard4> Carrying m_mlock.so as accept [Thu 21 May 2015 23:36:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432276584] <~JD|laptop> So next: namedmodes [Thu 21 May 2015 23:36:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432276595] <~FastLizard4> How does namedmodes work? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:36:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432276598] <~JD|laptop> This is a bit complicated so I'll explain [Thu 21 May 2015 23:37:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432276621] <~JD|laptop> InspIRCd is an IRCd that has a lot of modules, as you can tell. A few years back, the developers got concerned about running out of mode characters. [Thu 21 May 2015 23:37:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432276638] <~JD|laptop> So [Thu 21 May 2015 23:37:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432276658] <~JD|laptop> They decided to implement a framework wherein lesser-used modes could be not assigned a letter but instead a multi-character name [Thu 21 May 2015 23:38:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432276685] <~JD|laptop> This module goes partway towards that [Thu 21 May 2015 23:38:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432276688] <@MJ94> Recuse myself. [Thu 21 May 2015 23:38:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432276705] <~FastLizard4> MJ94: From just this module or from the rest of the meeting? (which will be nothing but modules) [Thu 21 May 2015 23:38:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432276723] <@MJ94> This moodle. :) [Thu 21 May 2015 23:38:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432276726] <~FastLizard4> ok [Thu 21 May 2015 23:38:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432276727] <@MJ94> ... [Thu 21 May 2015 23:38:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432276730] <~JD|laptop> The special channel mode +Z keeps track of named modes [Thu 21 May 2015 23:38:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432276734] <~JD|laptop> including the nameonly ones [Thu 21 May 2015 23:38:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432276735] <@MJ94> module* [Thu 21 May 2015 23:38:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432276736] <~FastLizard4> JD|laptop: Do you have any functional examples? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:39:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432276766] <~JD|laptop> So for example [Thu 21 May 2015 23:39:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432276772] <~JD|laptop> /mode +b *!*@example.com [Thu 21 May 2015 23:39:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432276779] <@TLUL> I see this as something to add if and when we actually are near/at the mode char limit [Thu 21 May 2015 23:39:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432276780] <~JD|laptop> is the same as /mode +Z ban=*!*@example.com [Thu 21 May 2015 23:39:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432276785] <@TLUL> But I'm not opposed to it now either. Neutral. [Thu 21 May 2015 23:40:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432276804] <@DoctorPain99> (define example () (format t "this is a functional example")) [Thu 21 May 2015 23:40:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432276813] <~JD|laptop> if it's not a parameter mode then you can say /mode +Z moderated [Thu 21 May 2015 23:40:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432276813] <@TLUL> DoctorPain99: ++ [Thu 21 May 2015 23:40:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432276815] <~JD|laptop> for /mode +m [Thu 21 May 2015 23:40:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432276818] <~FastLizard4> God *dammit* DoctorPain99 [Thu 21 May 2015 23:40:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432276820] <~FastLizard4> :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:40:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432276823] <@DoctorPain99> :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:40:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432276826] <~JD|laptop> the PROP command is intended to provide a cleaner interface to this [Thu 21 May 2015 23:40:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432276841] <~JD|laptop> so those two examples respectively become /PROP +ban *!*@example.com [Thu 21 May 2015 23:40:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432276846] <@TLUL> DoctorPain99: You get a 3amjoke award! http://i.imgur.com/pSsOb2s.png [Thu 21 May 2015 23:40:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432276846] <~JD|laptop> or /PROP +moderated [Thu 21 May 2015 23:40:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432276851] <~FastLizard4> Now, what say I did /mode +Z moderated [Thu 21 May 2015 23:40:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432276856] <~FastLizard4> Would this still appear as +m to clients? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:40:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432276859] <~JD|laptop> yes [Thu 21 May 2015 23:41:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432276863] <~FastLizard4> Okay [Thu 21 May 2015 23:41:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432276869] <@DoctorPain99> TLUL: LOL [Thu 21 May 2015 23:41:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432276873] <~FastLizard4> So if a single-character mode is defined as equivalent, it will still be shown as well? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:41:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432276886] <~JD|laptop> yes [Thu 21 May 2015 23:41:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432276888] <@TLUL> So it's only those with no modechar assigned that will actually /send/ as +Z to clients? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:41:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432276890] <~JD|laptop> otherwise you see +Z or -Z [Thu 21 May 2015 23:42:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432276924] <~FastLizard4> JD|laptop: ^ See TLUL's [Thu 21 May 2015 23:42:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432276928] <~FastLizard4> *question [Thu 21 May 2015 23:42:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432276937] <~JD|laptop> In the future it is hoped that https://github.com/attilamolnar/ircv3-specifications/blob/master%2Bnamedmodes/extensions/named-modes.md will allow for whether PROP can be used or not [Thu 21 May 2015 23:42:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432276938] <@MJ94> TLUL: that comic >>> [Thu 21 May 2015 23:42:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432276946] <~JD|laptop> TLUL: yes [Thu 21 May 2015 23:42:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432276961] <~JD|laptop> So that's basically it with this module [Thu 21 May 2015 23:42:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432276966] <~FastLizard4> rofl [Thu 21 May 2015 23:42:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432276970] <@TLUL> Still neutral on this moodle [Thu 21 May 2015 23:42:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432276970] <~FastLizard4> Okay, I'd say accept to that [Thu 21 May 2015 23:43:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432277004] <@MJ94> TLUL: >_> [Thu 21 May 2015 23:43:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432277007] <@TLUL> I don't know how close we are to the modechar limit so I'll let the experts decide [Thu 21 May 2015 23:43:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432277012] <~JD|laptop> As for nokicks, I'd say throw it out. [Thu 21 May 2015 23:43:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432277024] <@MJ94> TLUL: I like the moodles. [Thu 21 May 2015 23:44:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432277049] <~FastLizard4> Okay, we'll accept namedmodes [Thu 21 May 2015 23:44:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432277059] <~FastLizard4> I also say throw out nokicks [Thu 21 May 2015 23:44:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432277066] <~FastLizard4> But let's vote on it: [Thu 21 May 2015 23:44:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432277075] <@MJ94> Wait [Thu 21 May 2015 23:44:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432277076] <~FastLizard4> m_nokicks.so adds a channel mode that prevents kicks from non-staff in the channel [Thu 21 May 2015 23:44:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432277094] <@MJ94> What's the point? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:44:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432277098] <@MJ94> Reject [Thu 21 May 2015 23:45:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432277100] <~FastLizard4> :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:45:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432277105] <~JD|laptop> so reject it is [Thu 21 May 2015 23:45:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432277106] <~FastLizard4> m_nokicks.so kicked to the curb [Thu 21 May 2015 23:45:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432277107] <@TLUL> reject [Thu 21 May 2015 23:45:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432277111] <~FastLizard4> Next is m_nonicks.so [Thu 21 May 2015 23:45:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432277125] <~FastLizard4> Adds a channel mode and extban which prevents nick changes on the channel [Thu 21 May 2015 23:45:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432277134] <@MJ94> Reject [Thu 21 May 2015 23:45:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432277135] <~JD|laptop> useful to prevent /nick spamming such as w/ JeDa but we have /nicklock, so reject [Thu 21 May 2015 23:45:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432277140] <@MJ94> ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 23:45:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432277142] <@TLUL> If someone's nickspamming we can +q them, right? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:45:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432277144] <~FastLizard4> Okay, reject [Thu 21 May 2015 23:45:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432277146] <~FastLizard4> TLUL: Right [Thu 21 May 2015 23:45:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432277148] <~FastLizard4> Not +q [Thu 21 May 2015 23:45:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432277149] <@TLUL> Also /nicklock for staff [Thu 21 May 2015 23:45:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432277149] <@MJ94> TLUL: nicklock too [Thu 21 May 2015 23:45:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432277155] <~FastLizard4> +q is channel owner :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:46:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432277160] <~FastLizard4> It'd be +b m: [Thu 21 May 2015 23:46:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432277162] <@TLUL> FastLizard4: What's quiet here? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:46:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432277165] <~FastLizard4> (m for mute) [Thu 21 May 2015 23:46:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432277166] <~FastLizard4> E.g., [Thu 21 May 2015 23:46:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432277167] <@TLUL> Ah [Thu 21 May 2015 23:46:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432277168] <~FastLizard4> +b m:*!*@* [Thu 21 May 2015 23:46:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432277169] <~JD|laptop> +b m:* [Thu 21 May 2015 23:46:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432277176] <~FastLizard4> Okay, rejecting nonicks [Thu 21 May 2015 23:46:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432277179] <~FastLizard4> m_nopartmsg.so [Thu 21 May 2015 23:46:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432277186] <@MJ94> Reject. [Thu 21 May 2015 23:46:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432277187] <~FastLizard4> Implements extban that blocks part messages [Thu 21 May 2015 23:46:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432277200] <~FastLizard4> (Specifically, +b p:*) [Thu 21 May 2015 23:46:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432277203] <@TLUL> Can we briefly define extbans? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:46:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432277205] <~JD|laptop> I'm neutral on this [Thu 21 May 2015 23:46:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432277210] <~FastLizard4> Extbans == extended bans [Thu 21 May 2015 23:46:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432277216] <@MJ94> I vote reject [Thu 21 May 2015 23:46:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432277217] <~FastLizard4> Oh, wait [Thu 21 May 2015 23:47:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432277241] <~FastLizard4> https://www.lizardirc.org/?page=guide#Extbans [Thu 21 May 2015 23:47:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432277242] <~FastLizard4> TLUL: ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 23:47:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432277262] <~FastLizard4> I'm leaning towards reject, since this feels redundant to quiets/bans [Thu 21 May 2015 23:47:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432277268] <~FastLizard4> (Both of which block part messages anyway) [Thu 21 May 2015 23:47:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432277278] <~JD|laptop> do they? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:48:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432277284] <~FastLizard4> Let's find out [Thu 21 May 2015 23:48:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432277296] <@MJ94> And why ban part messages anyway? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:48:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432277307] <@MJ94> If someone's being disruptive, quiet them [Thu 21 May 2015 23:48:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432277308] <@MJ94> or ban [Thu 21 May 2015 23:48:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432277314] <~FastLizard4> Oh, guess not [Thu 21 May 2015 23:48:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432277327] <~JD|laptop> So reject it would seem... do we have !votes? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:49:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432277351] <@MJ94> Reject. [Thu 21 May 2015 23:49:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432277353] <~FastLizard4> OKay, bans do *not* normally block part messages [Thu 21 May 2015 23:49:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432277355] <~FastLizard4> Something to consider [Thu 21 May 2015 23:49:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432277361] <@TLUL> Reject since I can't imagine wanting to hide a specific user's part messages in any case other than wanting to kick/ban them outright [Thu 21 May 2015 23:49:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432277367] <@MJ94> ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 23:49:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432277372] <~FastLizard4> Okay, reject carries [Thu 21 May 2015 23:49:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432277376] <~FastLizard4> Next is m_remove.so [Thu 21 May 2015 23:49:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432277383] <~FastLizard4> Implements a /remove command like freenode [Thu 21 May 2015 23:49:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432277394] <~FastLizard4> Think sapart, but can be used by channel operators as an alternative to /kick [Thu 21 May 2015 23:50:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432277400] <~JD|laptop> I support this because it automatically defeats autorejoin on kick [Thu 21 May 2015 23:50:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432277400] <@MJ94> Accept [Thu 21 May 2015 23:50:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432277405] <@MJ94> Per JD|laptop [Thu 21 May 2015 23:50:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432277405] <~FastLizard4> (There's also a mandatory "Requested by " in the part message) [Thu 21 May 2015 23:50:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432277416] <@TLUL> Was going to reject for poor auditability, but changed to accept per JD [Thu 21 May 2015 23:50:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432277426] <@DoctorPain99> whats the difference between this and /sapart exactly? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:50:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432277429] <@DoctorPain99> oh wait [Thu 21 May 2015 23:50:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432277430] <@TLUL> (in general I dislike giving non-staff the ability to forge something) [Thu 21 May 2015 23:50:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432277433] <@MJ94> DoctorPain99: sapart is oper [Thu 21 May 2015 23:50:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432277433] <@DoctorPain99> CHANNEL operators [Thu 21 May 2015 23:50:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432277438] <@MJ94> yes [Thu 21 May 2015 23:50:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432277438] <@DoctorPain99> i read that wrong [Thu 21 May 2015 23:50:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432277444] <@DoctorPain99> then sure, why not [Thu 21 May 2015 23:50:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432277444] <~FastLizard4> Okay, m_remove.so carries as accepted [Thu 21 May 2015 23:50:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432277449] <~JD|laptop> TLUL: in this case, it will obligatorily say "Requested by " [Thu 21 May 2015 23:50:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432277457] <~JD|laptop> so we will always know who did it [Thu 21 May 2015 23:51:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432277461] <~FastLizard4> m_saquit.so [Thu 21 May 2015 23:51:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432277463] <@TLUL> JD|laptop: Yup, that's why I'm okay with it (and the good use case) [Thu 21 May 2015 23:51:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432277466] <~FastLizard4> This one should be self-explanatory [Thu 21 May 2015 23:51:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432277487] <~FastLizard4> Inclined to reject since it's redundant with /kill [Thu 21 May 2015 23:51:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432277489] <~JD|laptop> /saquit can be used for "silent" kills [Thu 21 May 2015 23:51:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432277495] <@MJ94> I accept [Thu 21 May 2015 23:51:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432277502] <@TLUL> Do we want or need silent kills? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:51:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432277512] <~JD|laptop> with some users it could be a better option [Thu 21 May 2015 23:51:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432277518] <@MJ94> ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 23:52:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432277530] <@DoctorPain99> hm [Thu 21 May 2015 23:52:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432277537] <~JD|laptop> in effect, only opers would then know who did the /saquit [Thu 21 May 2015 23:52:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432277541] <~FastLizard4> Okay, I'll buy that, accept [Thu 21 May 2015 23:52:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432277551] <@TLUL> I'll buy it for hiding who caused the saquit [Thu 21 May 2015 23:52:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432277552] <@TLUL> Accept [Thu 21 May 2015 23:52:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432277554] <@DoctorPain99> sure i guess [Thu 21 May 2015 23:52:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432277567] <~FastLizard4> m_serverban.so [Thu 21 May 2015 23:52:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432277575] <~FastLizard4> Adds a extban 's' for banning by what server someone is on [Thu 21 May 2015 23:53:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432277581] <~FastLizard4> I don't see this as being particularly useful, so reject [Thu 21 May 2015 23:53:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432277599] <~JD|laptop> reject [Thu 21 May 2015 23:53:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432277602] <@TLUL> Leaning reject [Thu 21 May 2015 23:53:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432277618] <@MJ94> Reject. [Thu 21 May 2015 23:53:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432277622] <~FastLizard4> Okay, reject carries [Thu 21 May 2015 23:53:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432277629] <~FastLizard4> Next is m_topiclock.so [Thu 21 May 2015 23:54:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432277641] <~FastLizard4> I think this is like m_mlock.so [Thu 21 May 2015 23:54:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432277648] <~FastLizard4> In that it allows ChanServ to enforce topiclocks in the server [Thu 21 May 2015 23:54:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432277649] <@MJ94> /mode +t? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:54:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432277659] <~FastLizard4> No, /cs set topiclock [Thu 21 May 2015 23:54:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432277660] <~JD|laptop> If we're accepting mlock we should accept this [Thu 21 May 2015 23:54:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432277667] <@TLUL> Accept [Thu 21 May 2015 23:54:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432277670] <@MJ94> Accept [Thu 21 May 2015 23:54:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432277672] <~FastLizard4> I also say accept [Thu 21 May 2015 23:54:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432277675] <~FastLizard4> So the accept carres [Thu 21 May 2015 23:54:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432277677] <~FastLizard4> *carries [Thu 21 May 2015 23:54:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432277687] <~FastLizard4> Finally [Thu 21 May 2015 23:54:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432277689] <~FastLizard4> m_uhnames.so [Thu 21 May 2015 23:55:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432277701] <~FastLizard4> (Not really finally, because we still have services modules to do :P) [Thu 21 May 2015 23:55:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432277711] <~FastLizard4> I'll be honest, I don't know what this one does :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:55:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432277713] <~FastLizard4> JD|laptop? [Thu 21 May 2015 23:55:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432277716] <~JD|laptop> I'm not sure what this is for [Thu 21 May 2015 23:55:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432277721] <~JD|laptop> https://wiki.inspircd.org/Modules/2.0/uhnames [Thu 21 May 2015 23:55:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432277728] <~JD|laptop> but since I see no use case, toss out [Thu 21 May 2015 23:55:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432277747] <~FastLizard4> Yeah, this seems redundant to /who [Thu 21 May 2015 23:55:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432277748] <~FastLizard4> reject [Thu 21 May 2015 23:55:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432277753] <@TLUL> reject [Thu 21 May 2015 23:56:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432277763] <@MJ94> Reject. [Thu 21 May 2015 23:56:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432277766] <~FastLizard4> reject carries [Thu 21 May 2015 23:56:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432277767] <@TLUL> Question about openssl vs gnutls - any particular reason we prefer one to the other? *cough*heartbleed*cough* [Thu 21 May 2015 23:56:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432277777] <~FastLizard4> heh [Thu 21 May 2015 23:56:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432277780] <~FastLizard4> heartbleed aside [Thu 21 May 2015 23:56:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432277783] <~JD|laptop> TLUL: the latter has better performance as recommended by the developers [Thu 21 May 2015 23:56:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432277784] <~FastLizard4> gnutls has better performance [Thu 21 May 2015 23:56:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432277795] <@TLUL> Good enough for me [Thu 21 May 2015 23:56:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432277809] <@TLUL> So openssl -> gnutls, accept [Thu 21 May 2015 23:56:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432277816] <~FastLizard4> Oh, that was never in question ;P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:57:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432277828] <@TLUL> Just stating my position anyway :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:57:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432277830] <~FastLizard4> Okay, moving on to services modules [Thu 21 May 2015 23:57:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432277841] <~FastLizard4> I don't think there are too many of these that conflict [Thu 21 May 2015 23:57:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432277844] <~FastLizard4> First is chanserv/kick [Thu 21 May 2015 23:57:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432277848] <~FastLizard4> Implements a /cs KICK command [Thu 21 May 2015 23:57:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432277860] <@DoctorPain99> is that needed [Thu 21 May 2015 23:57:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432277862] <~FastLizard4> DOes pretty much what it says on the label [Thu 21 May 2015 23:57:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432277867] <~JD|laptop> in case you are too lazy to /cs op #channel [Thu 21 May 2015 23:57:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432277869] <~FastLizard4> I don't really think so [Thu 21 May 2015 23:57:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432277874] <@DoctorPain99> i never understood why some networks have that [Thu 21 May 2015 23:57:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432277874] <@TLUL> That's more for channels where you don't typically hold ops [Thu 21 May 2015 23:58:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432277883] <~FastLizard4> I'm neutral [Thu 21 May 2015 23:58:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432277885] <@DoctorPain99> yeah, we're not freenode [Thu 21 May 2015 23:58:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432277887] <@TLUL> Which is usually a network culture thing (eg Freenode would like this) [Thu 21 May 2015 23:58:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432277890] <@DoctorPain99> but freenode doesn't have that [Thu 21 May 2015 23:58:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432277896] <@DoctorPain99> so we don't need it [Thu 21 May 2015 23:58:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432277898] <~JD|laptop> Some people might choose to keep their channels that way [Thu 21 May 2015 23:58:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432277901] <~JD|laptop> so I support [Thu 21 May 2015 23:58:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432277915] <@TLUL> Weak support [Thu 21 May 2015 23:58:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432277921] <@DoctorPain99> I support on the grounds that we don't have to use it if we don't want to [Thu 21 May 2015 23:58:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432277924] <@MJ94> Neutral. [Thu 21 May 2015 23:58:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432277928] <~FastLizard4> Okay, support carries it [Thu 21 May 2015 23:58:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432277933] <@DoctorPain99> and there's no harm in doing that [Thu 21 May 2015 23:58:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432277936] <@TLUL> ^ [Thu 21 May 2015 23:59:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432277962] <~JD|laptop> Next, successor_acl [Thu 21 May 2015 23:59:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432277968] <~FastLizard4> *chanserv/successor_acl [Thu 21 May 2015 23:59:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432277969] <~FastLizard4> :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:59:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432277982] <~FastLizard4> I uhh [Thu 21 May 2015 23:59:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432277985] <~FastLizard4> Don't know what this one does either :P [Thu 21 May 2015 23:59:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432277992] <@DoctorPain99> FastLizard4 confirmed bad [Thu 21 May 2015 23:59:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432277999] * FastLizard4 is ˢᵉʳᶦᵒᵘˢ ᵗʳᵒᵘᵇᶫᵉ --- Day changed Fri May 22 2015 [Fri 22 May 2015 00:00:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432278004] <@MJ94> allows a successr if first founder goes? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:00:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432278014] <~JD|laptop> allows you to name a successor [Fri 22 May 2015 00:00:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432278020] <@MJ94> Accept. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:00:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432278022] <~JD|laptop> in case you expire [Fri 22 May 2015 00:00:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432278023] <~JD|laptop> etc. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:00:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432278024] <~FastLizard4> Instead of being automatically determined? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:00:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432278027] <~JD|laptop> yeah [Fri 22 May 2015 00:00:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432278031] <~FastLizard4> Alright, accept [Fri 22 May 2015 00:00:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432278038] <@TLUL> What's the current autodetermine algorithm, if you know? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:00:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432278040] <@TLUL> Accept [Fri 22 May 2015 00:00:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432278043] <@DoctorPain99> accept [Fri 22 May 2015 00:00:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432278046] <~FastLizard4> TLUL: Not sure [Fri 22 May 2015 00:00:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432278051] <~FastLizard4> accept carries [Fri 22 May 2015 00:00:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432278051] <@MJ94> JD|laptop: *look of disapproval* [Fri 22 May 2015 00:01:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432278063] <~FastLizard4> ಠ_ಠ [Fri 22 May 2015 00:01:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432278070] <@MJ94> [02:00:22] <~JD|laptop> in case you expire [Fri 22 May 2015 00:01:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432278073] <~FastLizard4> Next is chanserv/unban_self [Fri 22 May 2015 00:01:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432278079] <~JD|laptop> okay, for /cs unban_self I have to make a case here [Fri 22 May 2015 00:01:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432278080] <@MJ94> nickname or irl :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:01:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432278092] <~JD|laptop> The problem with a general /cs unban and /cs why is that it allows anyone to binary search anyone else's IP address [Fri 22 May 2015 00:01:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432278106] <~JD|laptop> this is not a problem with only allowing to unban oneself [Fri 22 May 2015 00:01:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432278115] <~FastLizard4> We don't have /cs unban at all [Fri 22 May 2015 00:01:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432278117] <~FastLizard4> I thought we did [Fri 22 May 2015 00:02:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432278121] <~FastLizard4> I say accept [Fri 22 May 2015 00:02:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432278128] <@DoctorPain99> I say don't get banned [Fri 22 May 2015 00:02:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432278128] <~JD|laptop> obviously accept for this [Fri 22 May 2015 00:02:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432278134] <~FastLizard4> DoctorPain99: o‿O [Fri 22 May 2015 00:02:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432278134] <@DoctorPain99> but accept :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:02:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432278138] <@TLUL> Accept [Fri 22 May 2015 00:02:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432278143] <~FastLizard4> carries as accept [Fri 22 May 2015 00:02:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432278154] <~FastLizard4> contrib/gs_roulette [Fri 22 May 2015 00:02:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432278162] <~JD|laptop> (this is why I also would like it if we unloaded /cs why) [Fri 22 May 2015 00:02:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432278163] <~FastLizard4> Adds a GameServ roulette command [Fri 22 May 2015 00:02:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432278167] <@MJ94> accept :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:02:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432278171] <@MJ94> ROULETTE IS FUN [Fri 22 May 2015 00:02:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432278175] <~FastLizard4> RUssian Roulette [Fri 22 May 2015 00:02:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432278176] <@DoctorPain99> what does roulette do? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:02:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432278178] <~FastLizard4> Not spin the wheel roulette :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:03:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432278185] <@TLUL> Does it work better than your toin coss one? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:03:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432278188] <~FastLizard4> Yes [Fri 22 May 2015 00:03:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432278189] <~JD|laptop> DoctorPain99: if you say !roulette you get /kill'd [Fri 22 May 2015 00:03:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432278189] <~FastLizard4> >.> [Fri 22 May 2015 00:03:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432278189] <@TLUL> Accept [Fri 22 May 2015 00:03:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432278190] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: it's fun, I like your version [Fri 22 May 2015 00:03:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432278194] <~JD|laptop> but not glined [Fri 22 May 2015 00:03:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432278197] <@DoctorPain99> reject [Fri 22 May 2015 00:03:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432278202] <@MJ94> Accept [Fri 22 May 2015 00:03:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432278204] <@DoctorPain99> I like FastLizard4's version [Fri 22 May 2015 00:03:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432278204] <~JD|laptop> you get killed by ChanServ or whatever GameServ bot is in your channel [Fri 22 May 2015 00:03:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432278205] <~FastLizard4> accept because why not [Fri 22 May 2015 00:03:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432278206] <~JD|laptop> so accept [Fri 22 May 2015 00:03:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432278209] <@DoctorPain99> because we can customize it [Fri 22 May 2015 00:03:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432278212] <~FastLizard4> DoctorPain99: {{why not both}} [Fri 22 May 2015 00:03:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432278215] <@DoctorPain99> to do anything we want [Fri 22 May 2015 00:03:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432278215] <@MJ94> ^ [Fri 22 May 2015 00:03:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432278224] <@DoctorPain99> because redundancy is bad [Fri 22 May 2015 00:03:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432278238] <~JD|laptop> they do different things [Fri 22 May 2015 00:04:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432278241] <~FastLizard4> Well, it carries as accept, so too bad :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:04:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432278246] <@DoctorPain99> source? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:04:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432278248] <@MJ94> DoctorPain99: {{dealwithit}} [Fri 22 May 2015 00:04:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432278258] <~FastLizard4> contrib/ircd_announceserv [Fri 22 May 2015 00:04:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432278262] <~FastLizard4> Dunno what this one does, JD|laptop? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:04:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432278274] <~JD|laptop> Normal users can request network-wide announcements [Fri 22 May 2015 00:04:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432278281] <@DoctorPain99> reject [Fri 22 May 2015 00:04:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432278283] <@DoctorPain99> :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:04:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432278286] <@DoctorPain99> nah [Fri 22 May 2015 00:04:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432278288] <@DoctorPain99> uh [Fri 22 May 2015 00:04:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432278298] <~FastLizard4> Is it a new services bot? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:05:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432278301] <~JD|laptop> yeah [Fri 22 May 2015 00:05:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432278301] <~FastLizard4> AnnounceServ? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:05:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432278310] <~FastLizard4> Hmm, okay [Fri 22 May 2015 00:05:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432278310] <@DoctorPain99> actually i cant think of why this would even be necessary [Fri 22 May 2015 00:05:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432278311] <~FastLizard4> accept [Fri 22 May 2015 00:05:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432278321] <@DoctorPain99> in the very rare case that the user should want to do this [Fri 22 May 2015 00:05:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432278326] <@DoctorPain99> surely they could PM staff? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:05:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432278326] <@TLUL> Leaning reject [Fri 22 May 2015 00:05:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432278329] <@TLUL> Per DoctorPain99 [Fri 22 May 2015 00:05:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432278337] <~JD|laptop> I'd say accept on the grounds that /any oper/ can see these requests [Fri 22 May 2015 00:05:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432278337] <@MJ94> accept [Fri 22 May 2015 00:05:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432278344] <@MJ94> ^ [Fri 22 May 2015 00:05:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432278346] <@DoctorPain99> but like [Fri 22 May 2015 00:05:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432278348] <@MJ94> Accept. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:05:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432278350] <~JD|laptop> while PM's to an individual opers can be lost easily [Fri 22 May 2015 00:06:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432278361] <@TLUL> I say exactly the opposite [Fri 22 May 2015 00:06:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432278362] <@DoctorPain99> well then that individual oper isnt responsible [Fri 22 May 2015 00:06:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432278366] <@DoctorPain99> and shouldnt have oper [Fri 22 May 2015 00:06:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432278367] <@TLUL> I will virtually never miss a PM [Fri 22 May 2015 00:06:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432278378] <@TLUL> I've caught something via one of the serv bots maybe three times? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:06:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432278379] <~JD|laptop> Yes but suppose the PM'd one happens to be idle/afk [Fri 22 May 2015 00:06:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432278380] <@DoctorPain99> and yeah TLUL is right [Fri 22 May 2015 00:06:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432278387] <@DoctorPain99> then they get it later [Fri 22 May 2015 00:06:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432278391] <@DoctorPain99> also we have #help [Fri 22 May 2015 00:06:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432278391] <~JD|laptop> if another oper is online [Fri 22 May 2015 00:06:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432278391] <~FastLizard4> Okay, a better question is, how useful is this? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:06:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432278397] <@DoctorPain99> yeah like [Fri 22 May 2015 00:06:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432278397] <~JD|laptop> they could action it more easily [Fri 22 May 2015 00:06:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432278399] <@TLUL> We have HelpServ for this, don't we? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:06:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432278404] <@DoctorPain99> i can't see a user EVER wanting to do this [Fri 22 May 2015 00:06:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432278417] <~FastLizard4> Admittedly, I too am having a hard time seeing a usecase for it [Fri 22 May 2015 00:07:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432278425] <@MJ94> I still say accept [Fri 22 May 2015 00:07:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432278426] <@DoctorPain99> unless just to be like [Fri 22 May 2015 00:07:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432278427] <@DoctorPain99> funny [Fri 22 May 2015 00:07:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432278429] <~FastLizard4> But nor do I still see harm in having it [Fri 22 May 2015 00:07:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432278433] <@MJ94> ^ [Fri 22 May 2015 00:07:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432278438] <~JD|laptop> So we have two for, two against [Fri 22 May 2015 00:07:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432278439] <@MJ94> It doesn't hurt. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:07:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432278445] <@DoctorPain99> "why not" ins't a good reason imo [Fri 22 May 2015 00:07:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432278446] <@TLUL> Still leaning reject on grounds of it being one more place to look and one more bot to know how to use [Fri 22 May 2015 00:07:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432278453] <@DoctorPain99> unless it's something as trivial as /cs kick [Fri 22 May 2015 00:07:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432278457] <@DoctorPain99> this is major [Fri 22 May 2015 00:07:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432278460] <~JD|laptop> TLUL: it's trivial... it has only a few commands [Fri 22 May 2015 00:07:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432278471] <~FastLizard4> JD|laptop: Was it ever used on JDNet? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:08:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432278493] <@TLUL> JD|laptop: It's a few more commands than the zero extra commands of having a user ask via HelpServ for this (I expect) very rare usecase [Fri 22 May 2015 00:08:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432278495] <@DoctorPain99> and even /cs kick has a somewhat valid reason for existing [Fri 22 May 2015 00:08:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432278496] <~JD|laptop> my users ain't smart enough to use it b/c I never told them about it [Fri 22 May 2015 00:08:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432278497] <~JD|laptop> http://pastebin.com/qJiMnGt8 [Fri 22 May 2015 00:08:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432278504] <@DoctorPain99> this doesn't imo [Fri 22 May 2015 00:08:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432278538] <@TLUL> Not liking this interface either [Fri 22 May 2015 00:09:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432278548] <@DoctorPain99> it doesn't even sound like JD, a proponent [Fri 22 May 2015 00:09:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432278553] <@DoctorPain99> trusts users enough to use this [Fri 22 May 2015 00:09:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432278558] <@DoctorPain99> as he didn't even tell them about it [Fri 22 May 2015 00:09:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432278563] <~JD|laptop> I trust them to, I was just lazy :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:09:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432278567] <@TLUL> Suppose I request something innocuous, and then when I see a staffer is around to deal with it, I change my request at the last second [Fri 22 May 2015 00:09:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432278585] <@MJ94> It has nothing to do with trust [Fri 22 May 2015 00:09:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432278589] <@DoctorPain99> well we'll probably all be "lazy" then [Fri 22 May 2015 00:09:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432278595] <@DoctorPain99> and then it'll go unused [Fri 22 May 2015 00:10:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432278604] <@MJ94> DoctorPain99: :| [Fri 22 May 2015 00:10:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432278605] <@DoctorPain99> and just sit here wasting existence [Fri 22 May 2015 00:10:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432278613] <~JD|laptop> FastLizard4: this seems to be enough that I think we need the !votes of Revi and TCN7JM [Fri 22 May 2015 00:10:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432278629] <@MJ94> I don't see what its existence hurts. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:10:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432278629] <@DoctorPain99> I'm not a fan of adding things just because we can [Fri 22 May 2015 00:10:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432278633] <~FastLizard4> Yeah, it seems we're pretty split on this one [Fri 22 May 2015 00:10:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432278634] <@DoctorPain99> there needs to be a reason [Fri 22 May 2015 00:10:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432278637] <@TLUL> ^ [Fri 22 May 2015 00:10:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432278640] <~FastLizard4> I'll note it for discussion on LizardWiki later [Fri 22 May 2015 00:11:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432278679] <~JD|laptop> Next, /ms fsend [Fri 22 May 2015 00:11:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432278703] <@TLUL> Make a note to add a comparison of what commands are entered by who to make an announcement on behalf of a user using the "PM a staff" method, the "HelpServ" method, and the "AnnounceServ" method [Fri 22 May 2015 00:12:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432278726] <@DoctorPain99> PM a staff/MemoServ [Fri 22 May 2015 00:12:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432278735] <~JD|laptop> I've used it once (on Agent_Isai) to send something important when he had nomemos on. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:12:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432278745] <~FastLizard4> Okay [Fri 22 May 2015 00:12:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432278751] <@DoctorPain99> and also a possibility of creating a channel for such a thing (which i don't think is necessary) or using #help [Fri 22 May 2015 00:12:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432278776] <~FastLizard4> So contrib/ms_fsend allows a staffer to bypass a user having memos disabled to allow one to be sent anyway? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:13:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432278786] <~JD|laptop> yes [Fri 22 May 2015 00:13:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432278793] <@MJ94> Accept. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:13:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432278798] <~JD|laptop> Accept [Fri 22 May 2015 00:13:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432278798] <~FastLizard4> accept [Fri 22 May 2015 00:13:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432278799] <@TLUL> Accept [Fri 22 May 2015 00:13:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432278809] <~FastLizard4> DoctorPain99? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:13:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432278812] <@DoctorPain99> dc [Fri 22 May 2015 00:13:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432278824] <~FastLizard4> direct current? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:13:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432278832] <@DoctorPain99> decline to comment [Fri 22 May 2015 00:13:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432278836] <@DoctorPain99> or don't care [Fri 22 May 2015 00:13:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432278836] <~FastLizard4> oh, okay [Fri 22 May 2015 00:13:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432278838] <~FastLizard4> alright accept carries [Fri 22 May 2015 00:14:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432278848] <@DoctorPain99> I'm thinking that if I was a non-staff who wanted to send a global message, I would either use #help or PM an oper [Fri 22 May 2015 00:14:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432278851] <~FastLizard4> next is contrib/ns_forbid [Fri 22 May 2015 00:14:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432278853] <@DoctorPain99> rather than use some serv [Fri 22 May 2015 00:14:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432278855] <@DoctorPain99> just saying [Fri 22 May 2015 00:14:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432278867] <~FastLizard4> DoctorPain99: Oh, we were talking about a different mdoule there :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:14:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432278871] <@MJ94> Just a note that I must go in 10 mins. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:14:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432278872] <@DoctorPain99> eah i know [Fri 22 May 2015 00:14:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432278878] <~FastLizard4> Okay, let's hurry this up then [Fri 22 May 2015 00:14:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432278880] <@DoctorPain99> i just felt it necessary to make that comment [Fri 22 May 2015 00:14:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432278883] <~FastLizard4> contrib/ns_forbid [Fri 22 May 2015 00:14:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432278888] <@TLUL> Just trailing comments on the ircd_announceserv moodle? :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:14:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432278890] <~FastLizard4> Allows one to forbid nicknames from being used in NickServ [Fri 22 May 2015 00:14:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432278894] <@MJ94> It's 2:14am. We've been at this for 3+ hours. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:14:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432278896] <@MJ94> Accept. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:14:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432278898] <~FastLizard4> I say reject, since it's redundant to qlines [Fri 22 May 2015 00:15:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432278904] <@MJ94> Oh. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:15:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432278910] <~JD|laptop> Now it's a bit ambiguous about whether it prevents /registration/ of the nick [Fri 22 May 2015 00:15:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432278915] <~JD|laptop> or outright stops the use [Fri 22 May 2015 00:15:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432278922] <@DoctorPain99> in either case [Fri 22 May 2015 00:15:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432278924] <@TLUL> JD|laptop: Test on your network? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:15:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432278932] <@DoctorPain99> even if q-lines weren't a thing [Fri 22 May 2015 00:15:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432278935] <~FastLizard4> I think it prevents the use [Fri 22 May 2015 00:15:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432278938] <~JD|laptop> let me check the code [Fri 22 May 2015 00:15:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432278938] <~FastLizard4> Using enforcer clients [Fri 22 May 2015 00:15:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432278952] <@TLUL> If it prevents use, reject. If it allows use and only prevents registration, weak accept. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:16:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432278960] <@DoctorPain99> if we wanted to ban a nick from being registered, we could just register it and hold it to a "banned nicknames" account [Fri 22 May 2015 00:16:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432278970] <~FastLizard4> I think that's all forbid does [Fri 22 May 2015 00:16:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432278972] <@TLUL> Actually [Fri 22 May 2015 00:16:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432278973] <@DoctorPain99> so this isn't all that necessary [Fri 22 May 2015 00:16:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432278979] <~FastLizard4> It literally just registers the nick :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:16:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432278985] <@DoctorPain99> oops [Fri 22 May 2015 00:16:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432278986] <~FastLizard4> And marks it as frozen [Fri 22 May 2015 00:16:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432278988] <@DoctorPain99> so yeah [Fri 22 May 2015 00:16:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432278992] <@TLUL> Yeah, reject [Fri 22 May 2015 00:16:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432278996] <@DoctorPain99> we could just do that manually if we REALLY needed to [Fri 22 May 2015 00:16:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432278999] <@DoctorPain99> (we won't) [Fri 22 May 2015 00:16:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432279003] <~JD|laptop> reject then [Fri 22 May 2015 00:16:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432279006] <~JD|laptop> after looking at the code [Fri 22 May 2015 00:16:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432279006] <@MJ94> Reject. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:16:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432279013] <~FastLizard4> Okay, rejected [Fri 22 May 2015 00:17:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432279020] <~FastLizard4> Next is contrib/os_helpme [Fri 22 May 2015 00:17:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432279022] <~FastLizard4> JD|laptop? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:17:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432279040] <~FastLizard4> We're almost done, only a few more to go [Fri 22 May 2015 00:17:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432279051] <~JD|laptop> "Sets usermode +h on all users listed with the general:helper soper priv upon recieving soper status. Requires an IRCd that has +h (helper) usermode support." [Fri 22 May 2015 00:17:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432279053] <@DoctorPain99> dp99/needs_sleep [Fri 22 May 2015 00:17:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432279061] <@DoctorPain99> thats the best module [Fri 22 May 2015 00:17:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432279073] <~FastLizard4> WE'RE ALMOST DONE [Fri 22 May 2015 00:17:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432279077] <~JD|laptop> but we don't have this kind of oper class [Fri 22 May 2015 00:17:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432279078] <~FastLizard4> JUST HANG IN THERE GUISE [Fri 22 May 2015 00:18:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432279084] <~FastLizard4> Yeah, so that's reject by default [Fri 22 May 2015 00:18:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432279087] <@DoctorPain99> RIP [Fri 22 May 2015 00:18:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432279091] <~FastLizard4> Next is contrib/os_joinmon [Fri 22 May 2015 00:18:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432279091] <@MJ94> Be a FAST lizard. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:18:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432279096] <@DoctorPain99> joinmon? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:18:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432279097] <@MJ94> LIVE UP TO YOUR NAME. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:18:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432279100] <@DoctorPain99> is that a pokemon? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:18:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279103] <~JD|laptop> https://wiki.inspircd.org/Modules/2.0/helpop [Fri 22 May 2015 00:18:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432279107] <~FastLizard4> Okay, this could be useful [Fri 22 May 2015 00:18:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432279109] <~FastLizard4> 00:18:14 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- ***** OperServ Help ***** [Fri 22 May 2015 00:18:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432279109] <~FastLizard4> 00:18:14 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- Help for JOINMON: [Fri 22 May 2015 00:18:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432279109] <~FastLizard4> 00:18:14 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- [Fri 22 May 2015 00:18:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432279109] <~FastLizard4> 00:18:14 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- JOINMON allows you to maintain a list of glob patterns that match nicks of [Fri 22 May 2015 00:18:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432279109] <~FastLizard4> 00:18:14 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- users who will have their channel joins sent to the logchannel (under [Fri 22 May 2015 00:18:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432279109] <~FastLizard4> 00:18:14 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- the info loglevel). [Fri 22 May 2015 00:18:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432279109] <~FastLizard4> 00:18:14 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- [Fri 22 May 2015 00:18:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432279109] <~FastLizard4> 00:18:14 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- These patterns are saved to the Atheme database and are kept between [Fri 22 May 2015 00:18:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432279109] <~FastLizard4> 00:18:14 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- services restarts. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:18:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432279111] <@MJ94> DoctorPain99: Jamaican. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:18:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432279118] <@MJ94> Join, mon. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:18:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432279132] <~JD|laptop> reject helpme [Fri 22 May 2015 00:18:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432279138] <@DoctorPain99> helpme is dead [Fri 22 May 2015 00:19:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432279141] <@TLUL> MJ94: First thing I thought of as well [Fri 22 May 2015 00:19:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432279143] <@TLUL> DoctorPain99: F [Fri 22 May 2015 00:19:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432279155] <~FastLizard4> JOINMON [Fri 22 May 2015 00:19:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432279155] <~FastLizard4> VOTE [Fri 22 May 2015 00:19:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432279157] <~FastLizard4> QUICKLY [Fri 22 May 2015 00:19:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432279158] <@DoctorPain99> I dc about joinmon [Fri 22 May 2015 00:19:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432279164] <@MJ94> Recuse. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:19:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432279165] <~FastLizard4> GO GO GO GO GO [Fri 22 May 2015 00:19:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432279167] <~JD|laptop> Reject as being too CPU-expensive [Fri 22 May 2015 00:19:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432279172] <~FastLizard4> Okay, I'll defer too [Fri 22 May 2015 00:19:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432279182] <~FastLizard4> It's also kinda spy-y [Fri 22 May 2015 00:19:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432279185] <~FastLizard4> s/spy/NSA? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:19:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432279187] <@TLUL> Reject [Fri 22 May 2015 00:19:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432279190] <~JD|laptop> we can grep our client-side logs of our log channels anyways [Fri 22 May 2015 00:19:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432279191] <~FastLizard4> s/\?/\// [Fri 22 May 2015 00:19:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432279197] <~FastLizard4> Okay, rejected [Fri 22 May 2015 00:20:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432279200] <~FastLizard4> Next is contrib/os_kill [Fri 22 May 2015 00:20:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432279217] <~FastLizard4> 00:20:02 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- ***** OperServ Help ***** [Fri 22 May 2015 00:20:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432279217] <~FastLizard4> 00:20:02 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- Help for KILL: [Fri 22 May 2015 00:20:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432279217] <~FastLizard4> 00:20:02 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- [Fri 22 May 2015 00:20:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432279217] <~FastLizard4> 00:20:02 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- KILL kills a user with Services. This is slightly different from [Fri 22 May 2015 00:20:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432279217] <~FastLizard4> 00:20:02 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- the KILL command in your IRCd as many clients won't automatically [Fri 22 May 2015 00:20:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432279217] <~FastLizard4> 00:20:02 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- reconnect to your network after a kill from Services. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:20:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279223] <@DoctorPain99> can we use that against windows? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:20:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432279226] <@DoctorPain99> os_kill? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:20:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432279226] <~FastLizard4> How does that work? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:20:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432279230] <~FastLizard4> DoctorPain99: lol [Fri 22 May 2015 00:20:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432279244] <@TLUL> DoctorPain99: ++ [Fri 22 May 2015 00:20:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432279250] <~FastLizard4> I say reject, redundant to /kill [Fri 22 May 2015 00:20:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432279258] <@TLUL> "But it's slightly different" [Fri 22 May 2015 00:21:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432279265] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: not really [Fri 22 May 2015 00:21:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432279272] <~FastLizard4> MJ94: yes it is [Fri 22 May 2015 00:21:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432279274] <~FastLizard4> It's literally a /kill [Fri 22 May 2015 00:21:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432279276] <@TLUL> Reject since I'm not aware of any clients that reconnect after a kill to begin with [Fri 22 May 2015 00:21:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432279277] <~FastLizard4> But from OperServ [Fri 22 May 2015 00:21:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432279282] <@DoctorPain99> isnt there already an operserv command to do a /kill thing [Fri 22 May 2015 00:21:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432279282] <~FastLizard4> TLUL: irssi does :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:21:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432279289] <~FastLizard4> DoctorPain99: There's AKILL [Fri 22 May 2015 00:21:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432279291] <@TLUL> FastLizard4: It shouldn't [Fri 22 May 2015 00:21:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432279292] <@MJ94> that a user won't rejoin with [Fri 22 May 2015 00:21:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432279293] <@DoctorPain99> oh right [Fri 22 May 2015 00:21:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432279294] <@DoctorPain99> AKILL [Fri 22 May 2015 00:21:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432279295] <@TLUL> That's a horrible behaviour [Fri 22 May 2015 00:21:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432279305] <@TLUL> And I'm going to change that tomorrow after I look up how [Fri 22 May 2015 00:21:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432279310] <@DoctorPain99> TLUL: and yet it doesn't rejoin on kicks [Fri 22 May 2015 00:21:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432279310] <~FastLizard4> TLUL: Clients can't differentiate between kills and quits [Fri 22 May 2015 00:22:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432279328] <~FastLizard4> It's a stupid oversight [Fri 22 May 2015 00:22:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432279329] <~JD|laptop> I'd say keep this on the grounds that it's like /remove for /kill [Fri 22 May 2015 00:22:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432279333] <@DoctorPain99> uh i reject on the basis that i see no reason to have this [Fri 22 May 2015 00:22:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432279335] <@TLUL> Sure they can. A kill is something the network told you to do. A quit is something you told the client to do. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:22:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432279359] <@MJ94> I have to go in 5. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:22:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432279361] <@TLUL> Not the technical implementation but close enough to use for deciding whether or not to autorejoin [Fri 22 May 2015 00:22:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432279369] <@TLUL> autoreconnect, rather [Fri 22 May 2015 00:23:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432279381] <@DoctorPain99> but like it cant a kill from a disconnect [Fri 22 May 2015 00:23:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432279386] <@TLUL> Really? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:23:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432279392] <@DoctorPain99> like when you disconnect from the server by a connection error [Fri 22 May 2015 00:23:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432279400] <@DoctorPain99> i think [Fri 22 May 2015 00:23:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432279401] <@DoctorPain99> idk [Fri 22 May 2015 00:23:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432279406] <@TLUL> Then how can it tell if a kill is from OperServ or not? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:23:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432279413] <@DoctorPain99> i have no idea [Fri 22 May 2015 00:23:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432279416] <~FastLizard4> One sec, let me try it out [Fri 22 May 2015 00:23:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432279420] <@DoctorPain99> this is why this thing makes no sense [Fri 22 May 2015 00:23:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432279438] <@DoctorPain99> i think it's just trying to get you to install it :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:24:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432279442] <@DoctorPain99> even though its useless [Fri 22 May 2015 00:24:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432279462] <~FastLizard4> :test!~test@ridley.fastlizard4.org MODE test +i [Fri 22 May 2015 00:24:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432279462] <~FastLizard4> :OperServ!OperServ@services.int KILL test :sfo.irc.jasperswebsite.com!services.int!OperServ (Killed (OperServ (Requested: test))) [Fri 22 May 2015 00:24:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432279462] <~FastLizard4> ERROR :Closing link: (~test@ridley.fastlizard4.org) [Killed (OperServ (Requested: test))] [Fri 22 May 2015 00:24:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432279482] <@TLUL> Okay, so any client should be able to tell it's been killed [Fri 22 May 2015 00:24:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432279488] <~JD|laptop> This has the advantage of not showing who killed [Fri 22 May 2015 00:24:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432279496] <~FastLizard4> And a regular kill looks like this: [Fri 22 May 2015 00:24:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432279497] <~FastLizard4> :test!~test@ridley.fastlizard4.org MODE test +i [Fri 22 May 2015 00:24:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432279497] <~FastLizard4> :FastLizard4!fastlizard4@JDNet/staff/FastLizard4 KILL test :sfo.irc.jasperswebsite.com!JDNet/staff/FastLizard4!FastLizard4 (test) [Fri 22 May 2015 00:24:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432279497] <~FastLizard4> ERROR :Closing link: (~test@ridley.fastlizard4.org) [Killed (FastLizard4 (test))] [Fri 22 May 2015 00:25:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432279501] <@DoctorPain99> why the hell would that matter [Fri 22 May 2015 00:25:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432279503] <@TLUL> Therefore programming one to auto-reconnect should be punishable by slapping with a whale [Fri 22 May 2015 00:25:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432279532] <~JD|laptop> Bearing in mind that these modules aren't necessarily tailored to InspIRCd [Fri 22 May 2015 00:25:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432279547] <~FastLizard4> I'm still leaning towards reject [Fri 22 May 2015 00:25:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432279554] <@TLUL> Neutral [Fri 22 May 2015 00:26:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432279560] <~JD|laptop> Keep [Fri 22 May 2015 00:26:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432279569] <@DoctorPain99> reject [Fri 22 May 2015 00:26:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432279578] <~FastLizard4> I'll vote solid reject [Fri 22 May 2015 00:26:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432279580] <~JD|laptop> MJ94's vote matters [Fri 22 May 2015 00:26:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432279582] <~FastLizard4> MJ94: You're the tie breaker! [Fri 22 May 2015 00:26:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432279593] <@MJ94> Lemme read up. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:26:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432279599] <@MJ94> Stepped away for a moment. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:26:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432279601] <@DoctorPain99> what kinda voting are we doing [Fri 22 May 2015 00:26:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432279604] <~JD|laptop> MJ94: anything but "keep" results in a reject btw [Fri 22 May 2015 00:26:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432279605] <@TLUL> I count 1 support, 1 neutral, 2 reject [Fri 22 May 2015 00:27:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432279621] <@MJ94> So, it means that the client won't auto reconnect? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:27:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432279636] <@DoctorPain99> i think that's making that up [Fri 22 May 2015 00:27:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432279640] <@DoctorPain99> it's literally a kill [Fri 22 May 2015 00:27:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432279642] <~FastLizard4> I have no reason to see why a client that would reconnect to a /kill from a regular staff would not reconnet to an OperServ kill [Fri 22 May 2015 00:27:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279643] <@DoctorPain99> but operserv does it [Fri 22 May 2015 00:27:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432279644] <@TLUL> FastLizard4: Did irssi try to reconnect either of those times? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:27:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432279647] <~FastLizard4> It's just a kill, but it comes from operserv [Fri 22 May 2015 00:27:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432279651] <~FastLizard4> TLUL: Oh, I don't know, I used netcat :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:27:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432279654] <@TLUL> lol [Fri 22 May 2015 00:27:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432279672] <@DoctorPain99> the only argument I've heard in favor of this [Fri 22 May 2015 00:27:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432279679] <@DoctorPain99> is that it masks who does the kill [Fri 22 May 2015 00:28:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432279686] <@DoctorPain99> but i don't see why we need to do that [Fri 22 May 2015 00:28:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432279691] <~FastLizard4> We have saquit for that anyway [Fri 22 May 2015 00:28:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432279698] <@DoctorPain99> OH YEAH WE DO [Fri 22 May 2015 00:28:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432279699] <@MJ94> I do not support [Fri 22 May 2015 00:28:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432279702] <@DoctorPain99> RIP [Fri 22 May 2015 00:28:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432279705] <~JD|laptop> which means it's a reject [Fri 22 May 2015 00:28:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432279707] <@DoctorPain99> also what does /remove do again [Fri 22 May 2015 00:28:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432279720] <~FastLizard4> DoctorPain99: ALlows a channel operator to force part someone from their channel [Fri 22 May 2015 00:28:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432279723] <~FastLizard4> As an alternative to /kiick [Fri 22 May 2015 00:28:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432279729] <@DoctorPain99> oh right [Fri 22 May 2015 00:28:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432279737] <~FastLizard4> Okay, os_kill rejected [Fri 22 May 2015 00:29:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432279740] <~FastLizard4> Next is contrib/os_testcmd [Fri 22 May 2015 00:29:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432279747] <~JD|laptop> Not sure what this does [Fri 22 May 2015 00:29:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432279747] <@MJ94> How many more? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:29:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432279752] <@DoctorPain99> over 9000 [Fri 22 May 2015 00:29:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432279753] <~JD|laptop> /os help testcmd doesn't show anything [Fri 22 May 2015 00:29:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432279754] <~JD|laptop> reject [Fri 22 May 2015 00:29:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432279754] <@TLUL> Reject per having saquit [Fri 22 May 2015 00:29:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432279762] <@TLUL> Oop [Fri 22 May 2015 00:29:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279763] <@DoctorPain99> TLUL: we moves on :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:29:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432279770] <~FastLizard4> testcmd rejected [Fri 22 May 2015 00:29:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432279771] <~JD|laptop> MJ94: we have like 5-10 more [Fri 22 May 2015 00:29:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432279778] <@DoctorPain99> what is testcmd? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:29:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432279780] * FastLizard4 dopes up MJ94 with some caffeine [Fri 22 May 2015 00:29:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432279782] <~FastLizard4> DoctorPain99: I have no idea [Fri 22 May 2015 00:29:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432279791] <@DoctorPain99> shouldnt we figure that out before rejecting [Fri 22 May 2015 00:29:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432279793] <~FastLizard4> OperServ was very helpful [Fri 22 May 2015 00:29:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432279794] <~FastLizard4> 00:29:03 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- Could not get help file for testcmd. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:29:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432279798] <@DoctorPain99> lol [Fri 22 May 2015 00:30:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432279800] <@MJ94> Reject [Fri 22 May 2015 00:30:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432279815] <~JD|laptop> Next: /os trace [Fri 22 May 2015 00:30:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432279819] <~FastLizard4> I'm rejecting on the grounds that if OperServ doesn't know what it does, and JD can't remember, it probably doesn't do much :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:30:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279823] <@MJ94> ^ [Fri 22 May 2015 00:30:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432279827] <@MJ94> Next. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:30:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432279833] <@DoctorPain99> https://github.com/atheme/atheme-6.0/blob/master/modules/contrib/os_testcmd.c [Fri 22 May 2015 00:30:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432279842] <@TLUL> Also it was called testcmd [Fri 22 May 2015 00:30:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432279859] <@TLUL> That's like the first command you'd pick out of a lineup when asked which one didn't do anything useful [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432279862] <~FastLizard4> Alright, now we have contrib/os_trace [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432279862] <~JD|laptop> /os trace is very powerful [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432279869] <@DoctorPain99> source? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432279880] <@TLUL> DoctorPain99: 03:30:33 <@DoctorPain99> https://github.com/atheme/atheme-6.0/blob/master/modules/contrib/os_testcmd.c [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279883] <@TLUL> Source [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279883] <~FastLizard4> 00:31:08 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- TRACE allows you to match users by any number of criteria and possibly act on it. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279883] <~FastLizard4> 00:31:08 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279883] <~FastLizard4> 00:31:08 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- Current criteria are: [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279883] <~FastLizard4> 00:31:08 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- CHANNEL - All users in a given channel. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279883] <~FastLizard4> 00:31:08 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- SERVER - All users on a given server. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279883] <~FastLizard4> 00:31:08 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- REGEXP - All users matching a given regex pattern. This is very similar to [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279883] <~FastLizard4> 00:31:08 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- RMATCH/RWATCH. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279883] <~FastLizard4> 00:31:08 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- GLOB - All users matching a given glob pattern. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279883] <~FastLizard4> 00:31:08 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- NICKAGE - How long (in seconds) a user has been connected to the network. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279883] <~FastLizard4> 00:31:08 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- NUMCHAN - Number of channels a user is in. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279883] <~FastLizard4> 00:31:08 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- IDENTIFIED - Identified status of users matching a specific criteria. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279883] <~FastLizard4> 00:31:08 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279883] <~FastLizard4> 00:31:08 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- Current actions are: [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279883] <~FastLizard4> 00:31:08 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- PRINT - Prints the nick!user@host and some other information about every user [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279883] <~FastLizard4> 00:31:08 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- matching the given criteria. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279883] <~FastLizard4> 00:31:08 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- COUNT - Gives the number of users who match the given criteria. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279883] <~FastLizard4> 00:31:08 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- KILL - KILLs all users matching the given criteria. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279883] <~FastLizard4> 00:31:08 -OperServ(OperServ@services.int)- AKILL - AKILLs all users matching the given criteria. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432279894] <@MJ94> Support. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432279902] <~FastLizard4> Also supporty [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432279905] <~JD|laptop> Support [Fri 22 May 2015 00:31:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432279913] <@TLUL> Support [Fri 22 May 2015 00:32:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432279922] <@DoctorPain99> well my vote does nothing [Fri 22 May 2015 00:32:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432279923] <~FastLizard4> It's slightly redundant in some places, but meh [Fri 22 May 2015 00:32:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432279925] <~FastLizard4> It carries [Fri 22 May 2015 00:32:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432279943] <~FastLizard4> next is [Fri 22 May 2015 00:32:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432279945] <~FastLizard4> helpserv/helpme [Fri 22 May 2015 00:32:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432279947] <@DoctorPain99> i'm wondering if this power should be restricted to TimeLords [Fri 22 May 2015 00:32:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432279954] <@DoctorPain99> but that's a discussion for another time i guess [Fri 22 May 2015 00:32:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432279962] <~JD|laptop> to sra's [Fri 22 May 2015 00:32:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432279962] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: Support [Fri 22 May 2015 00:32:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432279963] <~JD|laptop> probably [Fri 22 May 2015 00:32:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432279966] <@DoctorPain99> oh yeah [Fri 22 May 2015 00:32:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432279974] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: Then can we get rid of #help? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:32:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432279978] <@MJ94> It's underused [Fri 22 May 2015 00:32:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432279978] <~FastLizard4> MJ94: No. :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:33:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432279985] <@MJ94> and redundant to HelpServ [Fri 22 May 2015 00:33:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432279988] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: ihy [Fri 22 May 2015 00:33:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432279991] <~JD|laptop> -HelpServ- ***** HelpServ Help ***** [Fri 22 May 2015 00:33:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432279991] <~JD|laptop> -HelpServ- Help for HELPME: [Fri 22 May 2015 00:33:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432279991] <~JD|laptop> -HelpServ- [Fri 22 May 2015 00:33:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432279991] <~JD|laptop> -HelpServ- HELPME allows you to easily request help from the network staff. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:33:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432279991] <~JD|laptop> -HelpServ- This works more like an alert than a ticketing system. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:33:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432279991] <~JD|laptop> -HelpServ- [Fri 22 May 2015 00:33:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432279993] <~JD|laptop> -HelpServ- Syntax: HELPME [topic] [Fri 22 May 2015 00:33:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432279995] <~JD|laptop> -HelpServ- [Fri 22 May 2015 00:33:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432279997] <~JD|laptop> -HelpServ- Examples: [Fri 22 May 2015 00:33:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432279999] <~JD|laptop> -HelpServ- /msg HelpServ HELPME [Fri 22 May 2015 00:33:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432280001] <~JD|laptop> -HelpServ- /msg HelpServ HELPME I need help with registering a channel. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:33:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432280005] <~JD|laptop> -HelpServ- ***** End of Help ***** [Fri 22 May 2015 00:33:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432280006] <@DoctorPain99> let's get rid of MJ94 instead [Fri 22 May 2015 00:33:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432280007] <~FastLizard4> We use the ticketing alternative to helpme [Fri 22 May 2015 00:33:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432280010] <~FastLizard4> HelpServ REQUEST [Fri 22 May 2015 00:33:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432280014] <~FastLizard4> On those grounds, I say reject [Fri 22 May 2015 00:33:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432280016] <~JD|laptop> like !helpme in #wikipedia-en-help [Fri 22 May 2015 00:33:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432280019] <~JD|laptop> but reject per FL4 [Fri 22 May 2015 00:33:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432280020] <@DoctorPain99> yeah we don't need this [Fri 22 May 2015 00:33:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432280024] <@MJ94> ^ [Fri 22 May 2015 00:34:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432280041] <~FastLizard4> Okay, module rejected [Fri 22 May 2015 00:34:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432280043] <@DoctorPain99> so like [Fri 22 May 2015 00:34:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432280044] <~FastLizard4> Next is nickserv/access [Fri 22 May 2015 00:34:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432280047] <@DoctorPain99> here's a question [Fri 22 May 2015 00:34:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432280055] <~FastLizard4> DoctorPain99: yo [Fri 22 May 2015 00:34:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432280056] <@DoctorPain99> when are we allowed to openly talk about this merge? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:34:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432280060] <@DoctorPain99> after this meeting is over? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:34:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432280063] <~JD|laptop> DoctorPain99: after we say we can [Fri 22 May 2015 00:34:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432280064] <@DoctorPain99> or not until it's announced [Fri 22 May 2015 00:34:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432280071] <~FastLizard4> Once it's announced [Fri 22 May 2015 00:34:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432280076] <@DoctorPain99> when will that be [Fri 22 May 2015 00:34:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432280081] <~FastLizard4> After the meeting [Fri 22 May 2015 00:34:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432280087] <~FastLizard4> Which will consist of me uploading a PDF of the finalized proposal to LizardWiki and creating the page there [Fri 22 May 2015 00:34:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432280092] <@DoctorPain99> so just like [Fri 22 May 2015 00:34:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432280092] <~FastLizard4> Then we can go ahead and announce it [Fri 22 May 2015 00:34:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432280093] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: Can we announce it tomorrow? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:35:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432280101] <@DoctorPain99> some yet to be determined time after the meeting? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:35:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432280105] <@MJ94> I have to go to bed, so if any questions come [Fri 22 May 2015 00:35:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432280108] <~FastLizard4> I was just going to announce it tonight once the housekeeping was complete :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:35:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432280109] <~JD|laptop> well, let's get the modules done [Fri 22 May 2015 00:35:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432280115] <@MJ94> I say announce in the afternoon or evening [Fri 22 May 2015 00:35:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432280116] <~JD|laptop> (same as FL4) [Fri 22 May 2015 00:35:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432280140] <~JD|laptop> Okay for /ns access I'd say keep [Fri 22 May 2015 00:35:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432280144] <@MJ94> ^ [Fri 22 May 2015 00:35:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432280148] <~FastLizard4> I say reject because redundant to /ns flags [Fri 22 May 2015 00:35:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432280148] <@DoctorPain99> what does it do [Fri 22 May 2015 00:35:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432280150] <~JD|laptop> It's on freenode, people can expect it [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432280161] <~FastLizard4> Isn't it deprecated on freenode? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432280162] <~JD|laptop> DoctorPain99: shows you where you have access and what kind of access (channels) [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432280175] <@TLUL> vs flags does? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432280178] <@DoctorPain99> so redundant to flags, then, completely? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432280180] <~FastLizard4> No, wait [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432280182] <~FastLizard4> this is /ns access [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432280185] <~JD|laptop> this is /ns access not /cs access [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432280189] <~FastLizard4> not /cs access :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432280191] <@DoctorPain99> oh wait [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432280198] <@MJ94> Goodnight, all. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432280198] <~FastLizard4> I thought /ns access allows for IP-based autologin to nickserv [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432280203] <@DoctorPain99> FastLizard4 is bad [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432280208] <@TLUL> 'night MJ94 [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432280213] <~FastLizard4> 00:36:45 -NickServ(NickServ@services.int)- ***** NickServ Help ***** [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432280213] <~FastLizard4> 00:36:45 -NickServ(NickServ@services.int)- Help for ACCESS: [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432280213] <~FastLizard4> 00:36:45 -NickServ(NickServ@services.int)- [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432280213] <~FastLizard4> 00:36:45 -NickServ(NickServ@services.int)- ACCESS maintains a list of user@host masks from where [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432280213] <~FastLizard4> 00:36:45 -NickServ(NickServ@services.int)- NickServ will recognize you, so it will not prompt you to [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432280213] <~FastLizard4> 00:36:45 -NickServ(NickServ@services.int)- change nick. Preventing expiry, getting channel access [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432280213] <~FastLizard4> 00:36:45 -NickServ(NickServ@services.int)- or editing nickname settings still requires [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432280213] <~FastLizard4> 00:36:45 -NickServ(NickServ@services.int)- identification, however. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432280213] <~FastLizard4> 00:36:45 -NickServ(NickServ@services.int)- [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432280213] <~FastLizard4> 00:36:45 -NickServ(NickServ@services.int)- Access list entries can use hostnames with optional [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432280213] <~FastLizard4> 00:36:45 -NickServ(NickServ@services.int)- wildcards, IP addresses and CIDR masks. There are [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432280213] <~FastLizard4> 00:36:45 -NickServ(NickServ@services.int)- restrictions on how much you can wildcard. If you omit [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432280213] <~FastLizard4> 00:36:45 -NickServ(NickServ@services.int)- the mask, NickServ will attempt to generate one matching [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432280213] <~FastLizard4> 00:36:45 -NickServ(NickServ@services.int)- your current connection. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:36:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432280214] <~FastLizard4> MJ94: nini [Fri 22 May 2015 00:37:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432280220] <~JD|laptop> actually wow [Fri 22 May 2015 00:37:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432280223] <~JD|laptop> that's much different [Fri 22 May 2015 00:37:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432280229] * JD|laptop facepalms, FL4 is currect [Fri 22 May 2015 00:37:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432280231] <~JD|laptop> correct* [Fri 22 May 2015 00:37:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432280237] <@DoctorPain99> LOL [Fri 22 May 2015 00:37:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432280245] <~JD|laptop> 12:37 am here [Fri 22 May 2015 00:37:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432280245] <@DoctorPain99> reject on the grounds that JD doesnt know what it is [Fri 22 May 2015 00:37:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432280252] <~FastLizard4> I say accept, I can see that being useful [Fri 22 May 2015 00:37:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432280253] <@MJ94> ^ [Fri 22 May 2015 00:37:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432280255] <@TLUL> Accept on the grounds that I could see this being useful [Fri 22 May 2015 00:37:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432280259] <~JD|laptop> I would accept on the grounds of being useful [Fri 22 May 2015 00:37:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432280264] <~JD|laptop> however opers should NOT use it for security reasons [Fri 22 May 2015 00:37:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432280270] <~FastLizard4> This channel is starting to become silly :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:37:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432280275] <~FastLizard4> Alright, this one carries as accept [Fri 22 May 2015 00:37:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432280276] <@TLUL> You know we're tired when we've converged on our sentences this much [Fri 22 May 2015 00:37:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432280277] <@DoctorPain99> wait [Fri 22 May 2015 00:38:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432280280] <@DoctorPain99> so like [Fri 22 May 2015 00:38:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432280287] <~FastLizard4> Next is nickserv/login [Fri 22 May 2015 00:38:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432280287] <@DoctorPain99> eh i dont like that [Fri 22 May 2015 00:38:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432280295] <@TLUL> JD|laptop: We don't get oper privileges without /oper anyway [Fri 22 May 2015 00:38:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432280300] <~FastLizard4> Yeah [Fri 22 May 2015 00:38:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432280311] <~FastLizard4> All being on your /ns access list does is prevent you from being nick'd to iFail* [Fri 22 May 2015 00:38:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432280312] <@DoctorPain99> if we're discouraging opers to not use it becaise of security reasons, doesnt that mean theres security concerns? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:38:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432280315] <~JD|laptop> TLUL: yeah but still risky, as it would allow password change [Fri 22 May 2015 00:38:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432280322] <@TLUL> JD|laptop: Nope [Fri 22 May 2015 00:38:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432280326] <~FastLizard4> TLUL: It doesn't [Fri 22 May 2015 00:38:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432280332] <~FastLizard4> All it does is exempt matching hosts from enforcement [Fri 22 May 2015 00:38:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432280335] <@TLUL> 03:36:53 <~FastLizard4> 00:36:45 -NickServ(NickServ@services.int)- or editing nickname settings still requires [Fri 22 May 2015 00:38:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432280336] <~JD|laptop> oh [Fri 22 May 2015 00:38:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432280338] <@TLUL> 03:36:53 <~FastLizard4> 00:36:45 -NickServ(NickServ@services.int)- identification, however. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:39:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432280341] <@DoctorPain99> oh ok [Fri 22 May 2015 00:39:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432280344] <@DoctorPain99> then yeah accept [Fri 22 May 2015 00:39:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432280345] <~JD|laptop> okay then it's benign [Fri 22 May 2015 00:39:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432280348] <~JD|laptop> accept [Fri 22 May 2015 00:39:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432280351] <~FastLizard4> Alrighty [Fri 22 May 2015 00:39:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432280353] <~FastLizard4> Next is nickserv/login [Fri 22 May 2015 00:39:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432280362] <~FastLizard4> Umm [Fri 22 May 2015 00:39:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432280365] <~FastLizard4> Isn't that just identify? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:39:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432280366] <~FastLizard4> :p [Fri 22 May 2015 00:39:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432280384] <@TLUL> Hold up. nickserv/identify is a removable moodle? (since it appears in the list) [Fri 22 May 2015 00:39:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432280387] <~JD|laptop> yeah [Fri 22 May 2015 00:39:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432280389] <~FastLizard4> Yeah, it's totally redundant to identify [Fri 22 May 2015 00:39:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432280392] <~FastLizard4> Ooooooh [Fri 22 May 2015 00:39:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432280395] <@DoctorPain99> reject because i'm not a lumberjack and i'm not ok [Fri 22 May 2015 00:39:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432280399] <~JD|laptop> we basically have to use one or the other [Fri 22 May 2015 00:40:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432280402] <~FastLizard4> nickserv/login is intended for networks that use AuthServ [Fri 22 May 2015 00:40:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432280406] <@DoctorPain99> LOL FUCK [Fri 22 May 2015 00:40:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432280409] <@DoctorPain99> SUPER REJECT [Fri 22 May 2015 00:40:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432280410] <@TLUL> DoctorPain99: And you don't sleep all night or work all day [Fri 22 May 2015 00:40:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432280414] <~FastLizard4> reject [Fri 22 May 2015 00:40:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432280424] <@TLUL> (quite the reverse today *cough*4am*cough*) [Fri 22 May 2015 00:40:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432280428] <@DoctorPain99> TLUL: yeah, i'm up at night talking here _._ [Fri 22 May 2015 00:40:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432280432] <~JD|laptop> Next up: sendpass_user [Fri 22 May 2015 00:40:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432280437] <~FastLizard4> So yes, reject carries? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:40:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432280439] <@TLUL> reject [Fri 22 May 2015 00:40:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432280439] <~JD|laptop> we already discussed this and decided to reject [Fri 22 May 2015 00:40:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432280441] <~JD|laptop> so reject for both [Fri 22 May 2015 00:40:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432280443] <~FastLizard4> ok [Fri 22 May 2015 00:40:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432280448] <~FastLizard4> operserv/rakill [Fri 22 May 2015 00:40:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432280449] <@TLUL> reject sendpass_user as well [Fri 22 May 2015 00:40:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432280452] <@DoctorPain99> reject JD [Fri 22 May 2015 00:40:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432280455] <@DoctorPain99> reject FastLizard4 [Fri 22 May 2015 00:40:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432280459] <~FastLizard4> REJECT REALITY [Fri 22 May 2015 00:41:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432280462] <@DoctorPain99> this becomes the Secret DP Network o‿O [Fri 22 May 2015 00:41:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432280465] <@TLUL> reject /dev/cdrom [Fri 22 May 2015 00:41:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432280469] <~FastLizard4> Okay, I used to have /os rakill enabled on LizardIRC [Fri 22 May 2015 00:41:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432280470] <@TLUL> Wait [Fri 22 May 2015 00:41:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432280471] <~FastLizard4> But then I turned it off [Fri 22 May 2015 00:41:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432280474] <~FastLizard4> And I don't know why [Fri 22 May 2015 00:41:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432280479] <@TLUL> What does it do? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:41:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432280496] <~JD|laptop> -OperServ- ***** OperServ Help ***** [Fri 22 May 2015 00:41:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432280496] <~JD|laptop> -OperServ- Help for RAKILL: [Fri 22 May 2015 00:41:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432280496] <~JD|laptop> -OperServ- [Fri 22 May 2015 00:41:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432280498] <~JD|laptop> -OperServ- RAKILL allows for regex-based akills, [Fri 22 May 2015 00:41:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432280500] <~JD|laptop> -OperServ- which are useful for removing clones [Fri 22 May 2015 00:41:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432280502] <~JD|laptop> -OperServ- or botnets. The akills are not added [Fri 22 May 2015 00:41:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432280504] <~JD|laptop> -OperServ- to OperServ's list and last a week. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:41:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432280506] <~JD|laptop> -OperServ- [Fri 22 May 2015 00:41:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432280508] <~JD|laptop> -OperServ- Be careful, as regex is very easy to [Fri 22 May 2015 00:41:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432280510] <~JD|laptop> -OperServ- make mistakes with. Use RMATCH first. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:41:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432280512] <~JD|laptop> -OperServ- The regex syntax is exactly the same. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:41:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432280516] <~JD|laptop> -OperServ- [Fri 22 May 2015 00:41:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432280518] <~JD|laptop> -OperServ- Syntax: RAKILL //[i][p] [Fri 22 May 2015 00:42:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432280520] <~JD|laptop> -OperServ- [Fri 22 May 2015 00:42:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432280522] <~JD|laptop> -OperServ- Example: [Fri 22 May 2015 00:42:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432280523] <~FastLizard4> reject on the basis that it's redundant to /os trace [Fri 22 May 2015 00:42:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432280524] <~JD|laptop> -OperServ- /msg OperServ RAKILL /^m[oo|00]cow/i No moocows allowed. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:42:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432280526] <~JD|laptop> -OperServ- ***** End of Help ***** [Fri 22 May 2015 00:42:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432280529] <~FastLizard4> And also you cant remove an RAKILL once it's been set [Fri 22 May 2015 00:42:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432280538] <@TLUL> FastLizard4: Does os trace support regexes? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:42:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432280541] <~FastLizard4> Yes [Fri 22 May 2015 00:42:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432280544] <~JD|laptop> well, /os trace is one-off [Fri 22 May 2015 00:42:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432280546] <@DoctorPain99> reject on the grounds that FastLizard4 previously turned this off [Fri 22 May 2015 00:42:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432280547] <~JD|laptop> while this would be persistent [Fri 22 May 2015 00:42:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432280553] <@DoctorPain99> so there was obviously something wrong with it [Fri 22 May 2015 00:42:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432280557] <@TLUL> But it's non-removable which is pretty annoying [Fri 22 May 2015 00:42:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432280559] <@DoctorPain99> even if he cant remember what [Fri 22 May 2015 00:42:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432280559] <~JD|laptop> but if keeping it we have to reserve it for sra's [Fri 22 May 2015 00:42:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432280561] <~FastLizard4> I really don't like the "lasts a week and is non-removable" [Fri 22 May 2015 00:42:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432280567] <@DoctorPain99> also that [Fri 22 May 2015 00:42:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432280569] <~FastLizard4> That's a maaaajor oversight to me [Fri 22 May 2015 00:42:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432280571] <@MJ94> I am on on my phone. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:42:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432280573] <@TLUL> Yeah [Fri 22 May 2015 00:42:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432280576] <@TLUL> Reject per FastLizard4 [Fri 22 May 2015 00:43:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432280580] <~FastLizard4> MJ94: Hello, I'm on the Internet! [Fri 22 May 2015 00:43:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432280580] <@DoctorPain99> hi on on my phone [Fri 22 May 2015 00:43:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432280584] <~JD|laptop> This could probably be rewritten to remedy that but reject as-is [Fri 22 May 2015 00:43:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432280592] <~FastLizard4> Okay, rakill carries as reject [Fri 22 May 2015 00:43:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432280593] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: no way! [Fri 22 May 2015 00:43:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432280594] <~FastLizard4> operserv/sqline [Fri 22 May 2015 00:43:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432280598] <~FastLizard4> LAST ONE! [Fri 22 May 2015 00:43:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432280600] <~FastLizard4> ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ [Fri 22 May 2015 00:43:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432280604] <@DoctorPain99> ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ [Fri 22 May 2015 00:43:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432280606] <@TLUL> Yup, if we think we want it, consider rewriting ourselves or feature requesting upstream [Fri 22 May 2015 00:43:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432280609] <~FastLizard4> This is another one I used to have enabled but disabled [Fri 22 May 2015 00:43:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432280617] <@DoctorPain99> I support rewriting TLUL [Fri 22 May 2015 00:43:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432280626] <~FastLizard4> I think because I discovered that it's actually implemented as an interface to /qline [Fri 22 May 2015 00:43:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432280631] <@DoctorPain99> he was programmed in PROLOG [Fri 22 May 2015 00:43:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432280631] <@DoctorPain99> bad [Fri 22 May 2015 00:43:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432280637] <~FastLizard4> So there's literally no reason to just use /qline directly [Fri 22 May 2015 00:44:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432280645] <~JD|laptop> Reject sqline as redundant to /qline and /cban [Fri 22 May 2015 00:44:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432280657] <@TLUL> DoctorPain99: I'm glad to know that you support rewriting me. You'll be happy to know that my DNA transcriptase is already hard at work on this. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:44:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432280662] <~FastLizard4> Guys [Fri 22 May 2015 00:44:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432280665] <~FastLizard4> Can we keep it together [Fri 22 May 2015 00:44:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432280667] <@DoctorPain99> no [Fri 22 May 2015 00:44:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432280667] <~FastLizard4> For five mor eminutes [Fri 22 May 2015 00:44:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432280668] <~FastLizard4> :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:44:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432280671] <@DoctorPain99> we're tired [Fri 22 May 2015 00:44:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432280671] * JD|laptop hits the gavel [Fri 22 May 2015 00:44:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432280677] <~FastLizard4> WAKE UP SHEEPLE [Fri 22 May 2015 00:44:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432280679] <@DoctorPain99> dc about this one anyway [Fri 22 May 2015 00:44:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432280683] <~FastLizard4> but [Fri 22 May 2015 00:44:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432280687] <~FastLizard4> redundant to /qline and /cban :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:44:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432280689] <@DoctorPain99> but its apparently redundant and therefore probably bad [Fri 22 May 2015 00:44:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432280695] <@DoctorPain99> well you never told me what it did [Fri 22 May 2015 00:45:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432280700] <~JD|laptop> One final thing: I motion to remove /cs why [Fri 22 May 2015 00:45:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432280701] <@DoctorPain99> so how do i know that for sure [Fri 22 May 2015 00:45:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432280702] <@TLUL> What does sqline do differently from qline? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:45:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432280708] <~JD|laptop> because of the aformentioned privacy issue [Fri 22 May 2015 00:45:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432280727] <~FastLizard4> TLUL: Exactly nothing [Fri 22 May 2015 00:45:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432280731] <~FastLizard4> At least, not on inspircd [Fri 22 May 2015 00:45:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432280733] <~FastLizard4> Which is why I say reject [Fri 22 May 2015 00:45:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432280736] <@DoctorPain99> then reject [Fri 22 May 2015 00:45:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432280749] <~FastLizard4> JD|laptop: We can talk about /cs why later :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:45:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432280753] <@TLUL> Reject [Fri 22 May 2015 00:45:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432280755] <~FastLizard4> Okay, that's all the modules [Fri 22 May 2015 00:46:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432280760] <~FastLizard4> Everyone look the doc over one last time [Fri 22 May 2015 00:46:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432280762] <@TLUL> No more moodles? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:46:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432280765] <@DoctorPain99> reject future meetings [Fri 22 May 2015 00:46:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432280766] <~FastLizard4> If it looks good, I'll lock it [Fri 22 May 2015 00:46:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432280786] <@TLUL> Reject meetings running 100% overtime [Fri 22 May 2015 00:46:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432280789] <~FastLizard4> Oh, one more issue [Fri 22 May 2015 00:46:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432280794] <~FastLizard4> keep services linked to diamond y/n [Fri 22 May 2015 00:46:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432280794] <@DoctorPain99> LOL [Fri 22 May 2015 00:46:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432280799] <@DoctorPain99> yes [Fri 22 May 2015 00:46:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432280804] <@TLUL> y [Fri 22 May 2015 00:46:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432280807] <~FastLizard4> now that ridley is actually behaving himself [Fri 22 May 2015 00:46:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432280809] <@DoctorPain99> because it'd be a pain to move them [Fri 22 May 2015 00:46:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432280811] <~JD|laptop> yes, now that you solved its stability issues [Fri 22 May 2015 00:46:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432280818] <~JD|laptop> although [Fri 22 May 2015 00:47:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432280820] <@DoctorPain99> and theres no reason to [Fri 22 May 2015 00:47:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432280824] <~JD|laptop> that /would/ make the network a bit asymmetric [Fri 22 May 2015 00:47:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432280829] <~FastLizard4> hush you [Fri 22 May 2015 00:47:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432280830] <~FastLizard4> :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:47:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432280836] <@DoctorPain99> JD|laptop: how so [Fri 22 May 2015 00:47:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432280839] <~FastLizard4> Alright, everyone go look over the doc one more time before I lock it [Fri 22 May 2015 00:47:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432280846] <~JD|laptop> actually not b/c vps is gone [Fri 22 May 2015 00:47:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432280860] <~JD|laptop> vps.irc.jasperswebsite.com would've needed 3 hops to reach the services [Fri 22 May 2015 00:47:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432280868] <~JD|laptop> but that server's going bye-bye anyways [Fri 22 May 2015 00:47:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432280873] * JD|laptop goes to peruse the document again [Fri 22 May 2015 00:48:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432280883] <~JD|laptop> FastLizard4: we need to update the async proposal [Fri 22 May 2015 00:48:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432280886] <~JD|laptop> to reflect that it's been passed [Fri 22 May 2015 00:48:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432280891] <~FastLizard4> DIdn't I? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:48:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432280903] <~JD|laptop> no you didn't [Fri 22 May 2015 00:48:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432280915] <@DoctorPain99> oh ok [Fri 22 May 2015 00:48:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432280925] <@DoctorPain99> so in the doc is still says we need to agree to the proposal [Fri 22 May 2015 00:48:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432280930] <@DoctorPain99> ...as this point [Fri 22 May 2015 00:48:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432280938] <@MJ94> Can we never have a meeting go this long again? :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:49:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432280941] <@DoctorPain99> is there anyone who doesn't fully agree? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:49:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432280956] <@MJ94> I do if it ends this. ;) [Fri 22 May 2015 00:49:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432280961] <@DoctorPain99> or can we remove that and say we agree to the proposal [Fri 22 May 2015 00:50:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432281035] <~JD|laptop> Follow my cursor [Fri 22 May 2015 00:50:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432281038] <~FastLizard4> JD|laptop: Yes I did, first line under the asynchronous proposal :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:50:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432281049] <~JD|laptop> you didn't update the rest of it >: [Fri 22 May 2015 00:50:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432281052] <~JD|laptop> which I have now done [Fri 22 May 2015 00:50:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432281055] <@DoctorPain99> also did we agree that #jdnet would redirect to #lizardirc [Fri 22 May 2015 00:51:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432281060] <~FastLizard4> o i c [Fri 22 May 2015 00:51:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432281061] <@DoctorPain99> or is that still being decided [Fri 22 May 2015 00:51:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432281061] <~FastLizard4> Yes [Fri 22 May 2015 00:51:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432281063] <~JD|laptop> we did [Fri 22 May 2015 00:51:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432281064] <~FastLizard4> I think we did [Fri 22 May 2015 00:51:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432281067] <@MJ94> Can I read over it one last time in about 10 mins? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:51:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432281071] <@MJ94> We did. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:51:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432281092] <~FastLizard4> MJ94: Sure [Fri 22 May 2015 00:51:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432281097] <~FastLizard4> We're still going over it ourselves [Fri 22 May 2015 00:51:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432281114] <@MJ94> Cool. I'll be busy for 10-15. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:52:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432281126] <~FastLizard4> JD|laptop: oh just use the new server names :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:52:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432281132] <~FastLizard4> Or whatever [Fri 22 May 2015 00:52:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432281134] <~FastLizard4> That works too :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:52:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432281142] * FastLizard4 has the doc open on his laptop and his iPad :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:52:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432281144] <@DoctorPain99> I'm probably still going to call them ridley and phazon out of habit [Fri 22 May 2015 00:52:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432281163] <@MJ94> Are we still being logged? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:52:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432281165] <~FastLizard4> Yes [Fri 22 May 2015 00:52:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432281169] <~FastLizard4> I never said the meeting is over :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:52:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432281177] <@MJ94> Hi, readers! Are you bored yet? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:53:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432281183] <@TLUL> The meeting is over when I've run out of coffee in the apartment [Fri 22 May 2015 00:53:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432281196] <~FastLizard4> GOod lord [Fri 22 May 2015 00:53:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432281199] <~FastLizard4> The log is up to 2062 lines [Fri 22 May 2015 00:53:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432281200] <~FastLizard4> 2065 now [Fri 22 May 2015 00:53:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432281205] <@TLUL> 2066 [Fri 22 May 2015 00:53:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432281208] <~JD|laptop> I will motion to close when I'm satisfied w/ the document [Fri 22 May 2015 00:53:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432281208] <@TLUL> 2067... [Fri 22 May 2015 00:53:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432281210] <@MJ94> It's 2:53. It's been a long two hours. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:53:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432281210] <@TLUL> Dammit [Fri 22 May 2015 00:53:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432281212] <~FastLizard4> lol [Fri 22 May 2015 00:53:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432281226] <~FastLizard4> MJ94: TIME IS RELATIVE [Fri 22 May 2015 00:53:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432281233] <@TLUL> Do we still need to mention the conflict of #Revi at all? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:54:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432281248] <@TLUL> FastLizard4: Only if it's on a grandfather clock [Fri 22 May 2015 00:54:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432281261] <~JD|laptop> TLUL: #Revi is now a moot point [Fri 22 May 2015 00:54:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432281263] <~FastLizard4> TLUL: /r/3amjokes, now [Fri 22 May 2015 00:54:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432281264] <~JD|laptop> since it was dropped here [Fri 22 May 2015 00:54:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432281280] <@TLUL> Ouch. My bouncer just spat a ton of DRAM ECC errors at me [Fri 22 May 2015 00:54:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432281287] <~FastLizard4> oh my o_o [Fri 22 May 2015 00:54:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432281295] <@TLUL> I know it's moot, I'm wondering if it's even worth having in the doc now [Fri 22 May 2015 00:55:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432281300] <@MJ94> The channel was dropped, no? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:55:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432281305] <@DoctorPain99> just cross it out if its mentioned [Fri 22 May 2015 00:55:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432281311] <~FastLizard4> 'tis [Fri 22 May 2015 00:55:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432281339] <~JD|laptop> DoctorPain99: which it is already [Fri 22 May 2015 00:55:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432281356] <~JD|laptop> Is anyone opposed to striking out rejected modules? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:56:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432281364] <@DoctorPain99> so have we like [Fri 22 May 2015 00:56:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432281366] <@MJ94> No. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:56:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432281374] <@MJ94> Support. :p [Fri 22 May 2015 00:56:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432281376] <@DoctorPain99> come to a consensus that we agree to this proposal [Fri 22 May 2015 00:56:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432281383] <@TLUL> support striking out rejected moodles [Fri 22 May 2015 00:56:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432281383] <@MJ94> Not yet. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:56:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432281385] <@DoctorPain99> because the document still acts like we haven't [Fri 22 May 2015 00:56:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432281390] <@MJ94> I can't read it yet. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:56:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432281394] <~FastLizard4> moodles [Fri 22 May 2015 00:56:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432281396] <~FastLizard4> moodles everywhere [Fri 22 May 2015 00:56:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432281400] <@DoctorPain99> MJ94: ? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:56:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432281403] <@MJ94> TLUL: noodles [Fri 22 May 2015 00:56:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432281409] <@TLUL> poodles [Fri 22 May 2015 00:57:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432281423] <~FastLizard4> oodles and oodles of noodles and poodles and moodles [Fri 22 May 2015 00:57:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432281443] <@DoctorPain99> and you told ME to keep it together... [Fri 22 May 2015 00:57:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432281449] <@MJ94> Modules autocorrects to moodles on my Mac. Moodles autocorrects to noodles on my iPhone. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:57:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432281454] <@MJ94> Y tho¿ [Fri 22 May 2015 00:57:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432281459] <@TLUL> This is what happens when you keep us in a four-hour meeting with only a five-minute break in the middle [Fri 22 May 2015 00:58:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432281480] <~FastLizard4> ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ [Fri 22 May 2015 00:58:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432281503] <@DoctorPain99> so since only MJ94 responded at all to my question, i'm going to assume the answer is no [Fri 22 May 2015 00:58:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432281515] <~FastLizard4> It looks fine to me [Fri 22 May 2015 00:58:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432281521] <~FastLizard4> I think JD is just working on some finishing touches [Fri 22 May 2015 00:58:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432281528] <@MJ94> I resign if we ever have a meeting this long. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:58:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432281534] <~FastLizard4> I don't know, I lost his cursor :P [Fri 22 May 2015 00:59:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432281540] <@Revi> heh, still ongoing! [Fri 22 May 2015 00:59:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432281543] <@DoctorPain99> maybe you guys don't get my question [Fri 22 May 2015 00:59:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432281546] <@MJ94> I'd like to redress it. [Fri 22 May 2015 00:59:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432281548] <@DoctorPain99> the document says [Fri 22 May 2015 00:59:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432281548] * Revi 's school ended few minutes ago [Fri 22 May 2015 00:59:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432281550] <@TLUL> FastLizard4: You can click his icon in the upper right to jump to it [Fri 22 May 2015 00:59:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432281552] <@MJ94> DoctorPain99: I got it [Fri 22 May 2015 00:59:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432281556] <~FastLizard4> TLUL: omg magic [Fri 22 May 2015 00:59:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432281559] <~FastLizard4> holy shit [Fri 22 May 2015 00:59:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432281562] <~FastLizard4> how did I not know about that [Fri 22 May 2015 00:59:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432281564] <@MJ94> Click on his icon FastLizard4 [Fri 22 May 2015 00:59:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432281564] <@Revi> so /me goes see the logs [Fri 22 May 2015 00:59:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432281568] <@DoctorPain99> "The decision will require the consensus of both networks’ opers (by the second meeting)." [Fri 22 May 2015 00:59:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432281574] <@TLUL> By the way, I discovered this by going "you should be able to do this, so I bet you can do it" and then testing it [Fri 22 May 2015 00:59:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432281575] <@MJ94> Ugh slow typing [Fri 22 May 2015 00:59:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432281579] <@DoctorPain99> "The decision" referring to the merge [Fri 22 May 2015 00:59:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432281588] <~FastLizard4> Yes [Fri 22 May 2015 00:59:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432281590] <~FastLizard4> Not the document [Fri 22 May 2015 00:59:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432281592] <~JD|laptop> Okay I've done the strike-throughs [Fri 22 May 2015 00:59:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432281595] <~FastLizard4> We can finalize the document now [Fri 22 May 2015 00:59:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432281598] <~JD|laptop> does anyone care to verify that I was correct? [Fri 22 May 2015 00:59:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432281598] <~FastLizard4> So we can move things to lizardwiki [Fri 22 May 2015 01:00:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432281601] <@MJ94> No! [Fri 22 May 2015 01:00:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432281608] <@MJ94> I wanna read it. :( [Fri 22 May 2015 01:00:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432281613] <~FastLizard4> MJ94: READ QUICKLY [Fri 22 May 2015 01:00:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432281615] <@DoctorPain99> don't we have consensus of both networks' opers though? like that we're going to do the merge? [Fri 22 May 2015 01:00:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432281628] <@MJ94> No. Let's not do the merge. [Fri 22 May 2015 01:00:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432281631] <~JD|laptop> We should ask our communities before ultimately committing [Fri 22 May 2015 01:00:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432281632] <~FastLizard4> goddammit mj94 [Fri 22 May 2015 01:00:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432281640] <~JD|laptop> /kick MJ94 :treason! [Fri 22 May 2015 01:00:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432281644] <~FastLizard4> Okay, maybe we should change that wording [Fri 22 May 2015 01:00:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432281649] <~FastLizard4> Because it is ambiguous [Fri 22 May 2015 01:00:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432281650] <@MJ94> No : needed [Fri 22 May 2015 01:00:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432281655] <@DoctorPain99> yeah, ok [Fri 22 May 2015 01:00:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432281658] <@TLUL> Added m_ssl_gnutls.so to the list of moodles to be added to LizardIRC [Fri 22 May 2015 01:01:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432281661] <@MJ94> Fail oper [Fri 22 May 2015 01:01:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432281667] <~FastLizard4> TLUL: Isn't it already there? [Fri 22 May 2015 01:01:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432281670] <@TLUL> It wasn't [Fri 22 May 2015 01:01:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432281673] <@TLUL> It was mentioned elsewhere [Fri 22 May 2015 01:01:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432281676] <~FastLizard4> TLUL: GO down two lines [Fri 22 May 2015 01:01:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432281688] <@TLUL> l2alphabet [Fri 22 May 2015 01:01:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432281698] <~FastLizard4> no u [Fri 22 May 2015 01:01:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432281706] <~JD|laptop> So what oper class should we give Revi + TCN7JM? [Fri 22 May 2015 01:01:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432281707] <~FastLizard4> MJ94: NO U [Fri 22 May 2015 01:01:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432281709] <@TLUL> abcdefghijklmnopqrstvwxyz [Fri 22 May 2015 01:01:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432281714] <~FastLizard4> JD|laptop: SithLord or RingLord [Fri 22 May 2015 01:01:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432281718] <~JD|laptop> I proposed RingLord [Fri 22 May 2015 01:02:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432281722] <~FastLizard4> Fine with that [Fri 22 May 2015 01:02:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432281729] <~JD|laptop> that can be discussed later [Fri 22 May 2015 01:02:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432281737] <~FastLizard4> Yes [Fri 22 May 2015 01:02:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432281740] <@DoctorPain99> since Revi owns servers, should he have sra? [Fri 22 May 2015 01:02:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432281747] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: I'd kick you and ruin your logs if I wasn't so tired. [Fri 22 May 2015 01:02:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432281754] -!- mode/#networkmerge [-o MJ94] by FastLizard4 [Fri 22 May 2015 01:02:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432281755] <~FastLizard4> :P [Fri 22 May 2015 01:02:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432281766] <~FastLizard4> plz no kick i [Fri 22 May 2015 01:02:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432281775] <@TLUL> JD|laptop: Confirmed you struck out the right moodles [Fri 22 May 2015 01:03:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432281781] * FastLizard4 giggles [Fri 22 May 2015 01:03:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432281789] <~JD|laptop> thanks [Fri 22 May 2015 01:03:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432281805] <~JD|laptop> I'm going to do more looking over. We should be done by 08:15 UTC [Fri 22 May 2015 01:03:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432281813] <@DoctorPain99> 01:02:20 <@DoctorPain99> since Revi owns servers, should he have sra? [Fri 22 May 2015 01:03:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432281819] <@Revi> ok, I'll export log on irccloud and read its log [Fri 22 May 2015 01:03:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432281826] <~JD|laptop> FastLizard4: what do you think of that? [Fri 22 May 2015 01:03:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432281827] * Revi keeps getting pinged [Fri 22 May 2015 01:03:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432281832] <@DoctorPain99> sorry :P [Fri 22 May 2015 01:03:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432281836] <~FastLizard4> Revi: My log of the meeting will become public once the meeting os iver [Fri 22 May 2015 01:03:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432281838] <~FastLizard4> *is over [Fri 22 May 2015 01:04:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432281843] <~FastLizard4> JD|laptop: Let me look the doc over [Fri 22 May 2015 01:04:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432281848] < MJ94> FastLizard4: You're a TimeLord who thinks 2 hours is 4 hours. [Fri 22 May 2015 01:04:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432281856] <~FastLizard4> TIME IS RELATIVE [Fri 22 May 2015 01:04:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432281857] <@Revi> I know :p [Fri 22 May 2015 01:04:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432281858] <~FastLizard4> I KEEP ON SAYING THIS [Fri 22 May 2015 01:04:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432281859] <~FastLizard4> :P [Fri 22 May 2015 01:04:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432281865] -!- You're now known as LameLord [Fri 22 May 2015 01:04:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432281868] <@DoctorPain99> what [Fri 22 May 2015 01:04:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432281870] <~LameLord> ya know what [Fri 22 May 2015 01:04:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432281876] <@Revi> Oh, I think 2 hrs is 2 secs [Fri 22 May 2015 01:04:39 (PDT/-0700) +1432281879] <@TLUL> FastLizard4: Well you're certainly living up to your name if time is relative that much [Fri 22 May 2015 01:04:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432281881] < MJ94> I came back to my computer just to do that [Fri 22 May 2015 01:04:43 (PDT/-0700) +1432281883] <@DoctorPain99> FastLizard4 didn't say the meeting would be two hours [Fri 22 May 2015 01:04:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432281885] <@DoctorPain99> that was JD [Fri 22 May 2015 01:04:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432281898] -!- MJ94 is now known as isopropynol [Fri 22 May 2015 01:05:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432281906] -!- You're now known as MJ94 [Fri 22 May 2015 01:05:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432281908] -!- JD|laptop is now known as JD|Liar [Fri 22 May 2015 01:05:11 (PDT/-0700) +1432281911] <~MJ94> umm [Fri 22 May 2015 01:05:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432281912] <@Revi> lolol [Fri 22 May 2015 01:05:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432281912] <~MJ94> why did i do that [Fri 22 May 2015 01:05:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432281914] <@TLUL> /nick iso8601 [Fri 22 May 2015 01:05:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432281914] -!- You're now known as FastLizard4 [Fri 22 May 2015 01:05:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432281923] -!- JD|Liar is now known as JD|laptop [Fri 22 May 2015 01:05:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432281926] <@Revi> I wanna do /sanick [Fri 22 May 2015 01:05:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432281927] -!- You're now known as MJ94 [Fri 22 May 2015 01:05:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432281948] -!- FastLizard4|away [fastlizard4@lizardirc/staff/wikipedia.FastLizard4] has joined #networkmerge [Fri 22 May 2015 01:05:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432281948] -!- Topic for #networkmerge: Discussion of network merge proposal. First meeting begins at 04:00 Fri 22 May 2015 UTC - timezone conversions: http://bit.ly/1A51rTd | Proposal text: http://bit.ly/1A51qP3 (doc is now visible, but only to staff!) | Note: For now, discussion of the merge is to be kept amongst both networks' staff only. [Fri 22 May 2015 01:05:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432281948] -!- Topic set by JD|laptop [~JD@lizardirc/staff/JD] [Wed May 20 19:34:53 2015] [Fri 22 May 2015 01:05:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432281948] [Users #networkmerge] [Fri 22 May 2015 01:05:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432281948] [~JD|desktop] [@ChanServ ] [@Rav3n|afk] [@TLUL ] [ isopropynol] [Fri 22 May 2015 01:05:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432281948] [~JD|laptop ] [@DoctorPain99] [@Revi ] [ FastLizard4|away] [Fri 22 May 2015 01:05:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432281948] -!- Irssi: #networkmerge: Total of 9 nicks [7 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 2 normal] [Fri 22 May 2015 01:05:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432281948] -!- mode/#networkmerge [+qo FastLizard4|away FastLizard4|away] by ChanServ [Fri 22 May 2015 01:05:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432281948] -!- Channel #networkmerge created Fri May 15 00:15:07 2015 [Fri 22 May 2015 01:05:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432281948] -!- Irssi: Join to #networkmerge was synced in 0 secs [Fri 22 May 2015 01:05:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432281951] <@DoctorPain99> ok [Fri 22 May 2015 01:05:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432281958] <@DoctorPain99> that's where the line was crossed [Fri 22 May 2015 01:06:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432281962] <@Revi> I sometimes get failed ghost attempt on JDNet by JDlol [Fri 22 May 2015 01:06:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432281965] <@DoctorPain99> please let's just finish this up [Fri 22 May 2015 01:06:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432281969] < isopropynol> I am laughing so hard [Fri 22 May 2015 01:06:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432281978] <~FastLizard4|away> Yeah, that was a little uncalled for [Fri 22 May 2015 01:06:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432281978] <~JD|laptop> Again does anyone have any issue with the document? [Fri 22 May 2015 01:06:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432281984] <~FastLizard4|away> ANything I missed for the purposes of the log? [Fri 22 May 2015 01:06:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432281985] <~JD|laptop> Everyone *please* read it in full one last time [Fri 22 May 2015 01:06:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432281989] -!- You're now known as FastLizard4 [Fri 22 May 2015 01:06:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432281990] < isopropynol> FastLizard4|away: no [Fri 22 May 2015 01:06:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432281991] <~JD|laptop> I know it's getting late but this is truly the end [Fri 22 May 2015 01:06:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432281998] -!- Irssi: You are now talking in #networkmerge [Fri 22 May 2015 01:06:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432282007] * Revi skips technical parts... [Fri 22 May 2015 01:06:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432282008] -!- isopropynol is now known as MJ94 [Fri 22 May 2015 01:07:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432282022] <@Revi> I don't handle modules so not my business [Fri 22 May 2015 01:07:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432282025] <@DoctorPain99> uh [Fri 22 May 2015 01:07:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432282030] <@DoctorPain99> that last paragraph [Fri 22 May 2015 01:07:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432282034] <@DoctorPain99> still need rewording [Fri 22 May 2015 01:07:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432282043] <~JD|laptop> DoctorPain99: {{sofixit}} [Fri 22 May 2015 01:07:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432282052] <@DoctorPain99> but idk what we want it to say [Fri 22 May 2015 01:08:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432282086] <~FastLizard4> Umm [Fri 22 May 2015 01:08:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432282097] <@DoctorPain99> do we want to say [Fri 22 May 2015 01:08:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432282098] <~FastLizard4> Everything else looks good [Fri 22 May 2015 01:08:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432282102] <~FastLizard4> Just that last paragraph [Fri 22 May 2015 01:08:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432282106] <@TLUL> Are we going to be pruning the red and yellow notices at the top now? [Fri 22 May 2015 01:08:29 (PDT/-0700) +1432282109] <@TLUL> Or preserving them? [Fri 22 May 2015 01:08:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432282110] <@DoctorPain99> "this decision is dependent upon community input" [Fri 22 May 2015 01:08:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432282114] <~FastLizard4> TLUL: Pruning [Fri 22 May 2015 01:08:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432282122] <@DoctorPain99> or like [Fri 22 May 2015 01:08:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432282131] <@DoctorPain99> pending based on community input [Fri 22 May 2015 01:08:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432282132] <@DoctorPain99> idk [Fri 22 May 2015 01:09:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432282148] <~JD|laptop> ultimately we legally control the networks so it's ultimately up to us [Fri 22 May 2015 01:09:42 (PDT/-0700) +1432282182] <~FastLizard4> How about that? [Fri 22 May 2015 01:09:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432282187] <@TLUL> I'm thinking we can remove the lines about "tentatively proposed that the moodles be the union of these sets" [Fri 22 May 2015 01:10:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432282207] <~FastLizard4> Where's that? [Fri 22 May 2015 01:10:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432282210] <~JD|laptop> now we have consensus for that [Fri 22 May 2015 01:10:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432282214] <@TLUL> And instead in the part where we list ones being added, say that the new list is equal to the previous LizardIRC config with the following ones added [Fri 22 May 2015 01:11:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432282264] <@Revi> wtf [Fri 22 May 2015 01:11:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432282265] <@Revi> lol [Fri 22 May 2015 01:11:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432282272] <@Revi> white text lol [Fri 22 May 2015 01:11:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432282278] <@TLUL> Looks good to me [Fri 22 May 2015 01:11:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432282301] <@DoctorPain99> i'd like to go to bed [Fri 22 May 2015 01:11:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432282308] <~FastLizard4> Okay [Fri 22 May 2015 01:11:51 (PDT/-0700) +1432282311] <@DoctorPain99> so like enough screwing around on the google doc [Fri 22 May 2015 01:11:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432282314] <~FastLizard4> Document go for finalization y/n [Fri 22 May 2015 01:12:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432282329] <~JD|laptop> let's proofread it [Fri 22 May 2015 01:12:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432282330] <@Revi> seeya! [Fri 22 May 2015 01:12:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432282370] <~JD|laptop> FastLizard4: do we even want to keep "union of"? [Fri 22 May 2015 01:12:54 (PDT/-0700) +1432282374] <~JD|laptop> in the IRCd modules? [Fri 22 May 2015 01:12:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432282378] <~FastLizard4> No [Fri 22 May 2015 01:13:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432282382] <~FastLizard4> Let's just keep the diffs as a refernce [Fri 22 May 2015 01:13:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432282392] <~FastLizard4> But the lists after the diffs will be the "official" list of modules to be added [Fri 22 May 2015 01:14:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432282462] <~FastLizard4> Looks good to sleepy me [Fri 22 May 2015 01:14:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432282470] <~JD|laptop> as for oper classes, we didn't exactly get to consensus on that yet [Fri 22 May 2015 01:14:35 (PDT/-0700) +1432282475] <~JD|laptop> so that remains tentative [Fri 22 May 2015 01:14:46 (PDT/-0700) +1432282486] <@TLUL> Bumped the section after services moodles to size 11, from 10, in line with the rest of the document [Fri 22 May 2015 01:14:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432282489] <~JD|laptop> and I motion to table that to on-wiki [Fri 22 May 2015 01:14:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432282497] <~FastLizard4> Yeah [Fri 22 May 2015 01:15:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432282503] <~JD|laptop> TLUL: make sure that they do not break the ToC [Fri 22 May 2015 01:15:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432282503] <~FastLizard4> I agree [Fri 22 May 2015 01:15:22 (PDT/-0700) +1432282522] <@TLUL> JD|laptop: explain? [Fri 22 May 2015 01:15:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432282531] <~JD|laptop> TLUL: the table of contents is automatically generated [Fri 22 May 2015 01:15:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432282541] <~JD|laptop> based on whether I mark something as "Normal text" or "Heading n" [Fri 22 May 2015 01:15:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432282550] <~JD|laptop> n a nonnegative integer specifying the header level [Fri 22 May 2015 01:16:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432282565] -!- Irssi: You are now talking in #networkmerge [Fri 22 May 2015 01:16:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432282567] < MJ94> Back, sorry. Can someone catch me up to speed? [Fri 22 May 2015 01:16:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432282569] <~JD|laptop> as for oper classes we never agreed what Revi + TCN7JM will be assigned [Fri 22 May 2015 01:16:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432282576] <~JD|laptop> MJ94: we're just housekeeping w/ the document [Fri 22 May 2015 01:16:17 (PDT/-0700) +1432282577] <~FastLizard4> FINALIZE [Fri 22 May 2015 01:16:18 (PDT/-0700) +1432282578] <~FastLizard4> DOCUMENT [Fri 22 May 2015 01:16:19 (PDT/-0700) +1432282579] <~JD|laptop> please re-read it one last time [Fri 22 May 2015 01:16:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432282586] <~JD|laptop> before we cast it off [Fri 22 May 2015 01:16:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432282586] <~FastLizard4> we can discuss what's been tabled onto the wiki after the meeting :P [Fri 22 May 2015 01:16:31 (PDT/-0700) +1432282591] < MJ94> Okay I will read it now [Fri 22 May 2015 01:16:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432282592] <@DoctorPain99> document looks fine to me [Fri 22 May 2015 01:16:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432282593] < MJ94> Brb [Fri 22 May 2015 01:16:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432282593] <~FastLizard4> (That'll probably just be you and me, JD) [Fri 22 May 2015 01:16:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432282600] <~FastLizard4> Document looks good to me [Fri 22 May 2015 01:17:53 (PDT/-0700) +1432282673] <~FastLizard4> Okay, tally off [Fri 22 May 2015 01:18:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432282682] <~JD|laptop> once MJ94 is done I think we're done [Fri 22 May 2015 01:18:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432282692] -!- mode/#networkmerge [+o MJ94] by JD|laptop [Fri 22 May 2015 01:18:12 (PDT/-0700) +1432282692] <@MJ94> I'm halfway through. [Fri 22 May 2015 01:18:15 (PDT/-0700) +1432282695] <~FastLizard4> Alright [Fri 22 May 2015 01:18:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432282696] <@DoctorPain99> so like [Fri 22 May 2015 01:18:23 (PDT/-0700) +1432282703] <~FastLizard4> DoctorPain99: accept as is? [Fri 22 May 2015 01:18:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432282704] <@DoctorPain99> motion for this to count as both of our meetings [Fri 22 May 2015 01:18:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432282708] <@DoctorPain99> uh yeah [Fri 22 May 2015 01:18:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432282724] <~FastLizard4> We're moving to the async format, so there is no "Second meeting" per se [Fri 22 May 2015 01:18:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432282737] <~JD|laptop> There will be a second mandatory one at a much later date [Fri 22 May 2015 01:18:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432282739] <~FastLizard4> Further meetings and office hours will be held as deemed necessary [Fri 22 May 2015 01:19:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432282741] <~FastLizard4> Yeah [Fri 22 May 2015 01:19:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432282743] <~JD|laptop> probably right before or right after it [Fri 22 May 2015 01:19:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432282745] <~FastLizard4> That one will be to finalize the merge [Fri 22 May 2015 01:19:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432282750] <~FastLizard4> (I'd say right before) [Fri 22 May 2015 01:19:16 (PDT/-0700) +1432282756] <@DoctorPain99> i agree [Fri 22 May 2015 01:19:24 (PDT/-0700) +1432282764] <@MJ94> 1) why do we have so much struck out text? [Fri 22 May 2015 01:19:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432282765] <@MJ94> Why not just remove it? [Fri 22 May 2015 01:19:32 (PDT/-0700) +1432282772] <@MJ94> I'd say before and post [Fri 22 May 2015 01:19:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432282784] <~JD|laptop> MJ94: for users to better trace our thought process [Fri 22 May 2015 01:19:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432282792] <@Revi> so I get RingLord? [Fri 22 May 2015 01:19:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432282796] <@Revi> according to the doc [Fri 22 May 2015 01:20:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432282801] <~JD|laptop> Revi: up for discussion [Fri 22 May 2015 01:20:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432282806] <@Revi> ah, ok [Fri 22 May 2015 01:20:07 (PDT/-0700) +1432282807] <@MJ94> Looks fine. [Fri 22 May 2015 01:20:08 (PDT/-0700) +1432282808] <~JD|laptop> "tentative" means it's still TBD [Fri 22 May 2015 01:20:13 (PDT/-0700) +1432282813] <@Revi> I know :P [Fri 22 May 2015 01:20:26 (PDT/-0700) +1432282826] <~JD|laptop> so is Revi good? [Fri 22 May 2015 01:20:27 (PDT/-0700) +1432282827] <@TLUL> Signed-off-by: TLUL [Fri 22 May 2015 01:20:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432282833] <@MJ94> FastLizard4: finalize, captain [Fri 22 May 2015 01:20:34 (PDT/-0700) +1432282834] * JD|laptop signs off on this [Fri 22 May 2015 01:20:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432282847] <~FastLizard4> Okay, waiting on Revi [Fri 22 May 2015 01:20:52 (PDT/-0700) +1432282852] <@Revi> Signed-off-by: Revi [Fri 22 May 2015 01:21:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432282860] <@TLUL> /part Signed off, bye - TLUL [Fri 22 May 2015 01:21:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432282862] <@MJ94> Almost 3:30. [Fri 22 May 2015 01:21:06 (PDT/-0700) +1432282866] <@Revi> 1721 [Fri 22 May 2015 01:21:25 (PDT/-0700) +1432282885] <~JD|laptop> okay, red notice removed [Fri 22 May 2015 01:21:28 (PDT/-0700) +1432282888] <~FastLizard4> Document is now closed for editing [Fri 22 May 2015 01:21:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432282890] <~JD|laptop> it can now be cast off [Fri 22 May 2015 01:21:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432282893] <~JD|laptop> document is now immutable [Fri 22 May 2015 01:21:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432282896] <@MJ94> Do I get staffer of the day award for doing this? :p [Fri 22 May 2015 01:21:45 (PDT/-0700) +1432282905] <@DoctorPain99> no [Fri 22 May 2015 01:21:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432282910] <@TLUL> MJ94: It's 4:30am here [Fri 22 May 2015 01:21:59 (PDT/-0700) +1432282919] <@TLUL> I've been up for 21 hours now [Fri 22 May 2015 01:22:02 (PDT/-0700) +1432282922] <~JD|laptop> err FastLizard4: [Fri 22 May 2015 01:22:04 (PDT/-0700) +1432282924] <~JD|laptop> in the header [Fri 22 May 2015 01:22:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432282929] <~JD|laptop> s/JDnet/JDNet [Fri 22 May 2015 01:22:14 (PDT/-0700) +1432282934] <~JD|laptop> to be pedantic :P [Fri 22 May 2015 01:22:48 (PDT/-0700) +1432282968] <~FastLizard4> there [Fri 22 May 2015 01:22:50 (PDT/-0700) +1432282970] <~FastLizard4> ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ [Fri 22 May 2015 01:22:55 (PDT/-0700) +1432282975] <@DoctorPain99> alright [Fri 22 May 2015 01:23:01 (PDT/-0700) +1432282981] <~FastLizard4> ALright, I think that's all the business we had for this meeting [Fri 22 May 2015 01:23:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432282983] <@DoctorPain99> meeting officially over? ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ [Fri 22 May 2015 01:23:03 (PDT/-0700) +1432282983] <~FastLizard4> MOtion to close meeting [Fri 22 May 2015 01:23:09 (PDT/-0700) +1432282989] <~JD|laptop> Motion to close this meeting, open this channel up to the public, and post IS announcements [Fri 22 May 2015 01:23:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432282990] <@MJ94> Seconded [Fri 22 May 2015 01:23:10 (PDT/-0700) +1432282990] <~FastLizard4> ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ aye [Fri 22 May 2015 01:23:20 (PDT/-0700) +1432283000] <@DoctorPain99> ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ [Fri 22 May 2015 01:23:21 (PDT/-0700) +1432283001] <~FastLizard4> Also, what JD said [Fri 22 May 2015 01:23:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432283010] <~JD|laptop> the motion passes [Fri 22 May 2015 01:23:30 (PDT/-0700) +1432283010] <~FastLizard4> Though InfoServ announcements should probably wait 'til we get the wiki page up [Fri 22 May 2015 01:23:33 (PDT/-0700) +1432283013] <@Revi> Motion to continue meeting xD [Fri 22 May 2015 01:23:36 (PDT/-0700) +1432283016] <~FastLizard4> NO [Fri 22 May 2015 01:23:37 (PDT/-0700) +1432283017] <~FastLizard4> NO [Fri 22 May 2015 01:23:38 (PDT/-0700) +1432283018] <~FastLizard4> NONONONO [Fri 22 May 2015 01:23:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432283020] <@Revi> lol [Fri 22 May 2015 01:23:40 (PDT/-0700) +1432283020] <@MJ94> Look of disapproval [Fri 22 May 2015 01:23:41 (PDT/-0700) +1432283021] <~JD|laptop> Revi: dissent! [Fri 22 May 2015 01:23:44 (PDT/-0700) +1432283024] <~FastLizard4> lalalalalalalalala i didnt hear that [Fri 22 May 2015 01:23:47 (PDT/-0700) +1432283027] <~FastLizard4> :P [Fri 22 May 2015 01:23:49 (PDT/-0700) +1432283029] <~JD|laptop> also it dies for a lack of second [Fri 22 May 2015 01:23:56 (PDT/-0700) +1432283036] <~FastLizard4> Alright meeting adjourned, terminating logging now [Fri 22 May 2015 01:23:57 (PDT/-0700) +1432283037] <@Revi> Motion to never end the meeting [Fri 22 May 2015 01:23:58 (PDT/-0700) +1432283038] <@MJ94> Revi: I will gline you [Fri 22 May 2015 01:24:00 (PDT/-0700) +1432283040] <@Revi> ok... [Fri 22 May 2015 01:24:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432283045] <@Revi> I'll shut up [Fri 22 May 2015 01:24:05 (PDT/-0700) +1432283045] <~JD|laptop> Revi: he's kidding :P --- Log closed Fri May 22 01:24:07 2015